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Dont like the draft and international limits..

Baseball is a free economy of sorts right?
 

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Not a fan of the compensation changes I get it but it seems kinda odd to me. Other then that seems good
 

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I hope the international spending limit is gonna be a high amount. That seems to be a high priority for the Cubs now.
 

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Dont like the draft and international limits..

Baseball is a free economy of sorts right?

I'm not an economist, but I think baseball isn't really a free market at all...players are cost controlled for at least three years before they get their arbitration years, which is even more cost controlled, at which point the teams can spend whatever they want, but for the most part you can argue that players aren't getting paid their full value unless the teams want to splurge early on. In the beginning, unless they decide not to sign with the drafting team, they don't actually have control as to where they get to work. They basically take their money and the teams are free to do whatever they choose, but maybe there's some freedom in the fact that they chose to sign that contract in the first place.

It's basically a business with 30 major partners who decide what they want to do with all the money. Only part of it will be given to the players, and I am guessing that the % of revenue was one of the points that needed to be hammered out between the owners and the players' union, and is why the NBA is having issues and why the NHL and NFL had issues in the past. The baseball players are employees and the GMs decide how much they're willing to pay said employees within their owners' limits. In that sense I guess the economy dictates itself within the baseball world, because it tells you that A-Rod is worth a shitload of money but a guy like Micah Hoffpauir needs to go to Japan. Speaking of international signings, the whole posting system with Japan is annoying and is one of the reasons why Yu Darvish is being wishy-washy.

Maybe what I wrote above doesn't actually have anything to do with the economy but rather how baseball isn't governed by the same rules as in real life. I dunno.

I also am not a fan of the draft and international limits, which sound like they'd really handicap small market teams as well as the Cubs' own effort to rebuild.
 

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The MLBTR blurb is also not very clear on how the new compensation system will work so hopefully that's fleshed out a bit more in the news conference. It sounds like we'll still get draft picks for Aramis Ramirez and maybe for Carlos Pena if he's not brought back and the Cubs risk arbitration with him.
 

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The new rules for draft and international spending hurts the cubs. When they bring in guys that love to overdraft mlb changes the rules
 

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Kevin Goldstein Remember Theo's press conference with the Cubs? Remember about the big investment in scouting and development? Bye-bye.

So does this change the Cubs offseason plan? They will not have no advantage in drafting or international signings like they thought they would. SO the resources we heard about going to draft and international signings go to MLB payroll then right?
 

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So does this change the Cubs offseason plan? They will not have no advantage in drafting or international signings like they thought they would. SO the resources we heard about going to draft and international signings go to MLB payroll then right?

They might have to evaluate how much they want to go over that limit and how much tax they are willing to pay, but I think they already knew that the CBA would change and they probably have contingency plans in place that I'm not smart enough to outline right now.
 

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They might have to evaluate how much they want to go over that limit and how much tax they are willing to pay, but I think they already knew that the CBA would change and they probably have contingency plans in place that I'm not smart enough to outline right now.

I agree you would think they had idea about the new CBA agreement but do we see Cubs going over high to lose a future 1st RD pick? I dont. 75% tax is a steep price for players that havent proved anything.
 

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I agree you would think they had idea about the new CBA agreement but do we see Cubs going over high to lose a future 1st RD pick? I dont. 75% tax is a steep price for players that havent proved anything.

If anything, it seems the new CBA rulings on how amateur talent is acquired will discourage young kids from playing baseball...

On second thought: the new CBA sells amateurs down the river | HardballTalk

The good news is that with spending constraints as they are, we at least have guys who know how to evaluate the talent and make the best calls.
 

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New CBA is piss fucking terrible.
 

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Rice, when talking about the minimum salary, what does this mean "COLA in 2015 and 2016."?
 

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The best guess is that it's "cost of living allowance" which would make sense from an economic standpoint. It's just a built-in raise to account for inflation and the increasing cost of living index.
 

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What does this mean?
"c. Weekend waivers during the regular season will be implemented beginning in 2012."
 

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