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Eh, they know the language. They pretend not to when its convenient.
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A couple questions:

As an immigrant to a new country should you be expected to learn the language? Or is that an unrealistic or outdated expectation?

How long should it take? 1 year? 5 Years? 10 Years?

I would argue you should learn the language of whatever country you move to at some point. Native fluency is not required. But a working proficiency would do. In my book 5 years is long enough if you're making a legit effort. If you've lived in a place for 10, 15 years or more and you still don't know how to communicate then you're just not making an effort IMO.

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A couple questions:

As an immigrant to a new country should you be expected to learn the language? Or is that an unrealistic or outdated expectation?

How long should it take? 1 year? 5 Years? 10 Years?

I would argue you should learn the language of whatever country you move to at some point. Native fluency is not required. But a working proficiency would do. In my book 5 years is long enough if you're making a legit effort. If you've lived in a place for 10, 15 years or more and you still don't know how to communicate then you're just not making an effort IMO.

Thoughts?

Whatever percentage of those who aren't learning the language because they're lazy are only hurting themselves and make no appreciable impact on anyone's lives outside their own. I find it hard to care, and it seems those that do care so much tend to be complete dipshits.

Learn the damn language then.

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you're always the smartest guy in the room. that's why everyone likes you so much.

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Whatever percentage of those who aren't learning the language because they're lazy are only hurting themselves and make no appreciable impact on anyone's lives outside their own. I find it hard to care, and it seems those that do care so much tend to be complete dipshits.



Speak of the devil!

Well going back to my original comment I think it hurts in a classroom setting. It does impact the other kids when the teacher has to spend more time with the kids who are behind in language skills.
 

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A couple questions:

As an immigrant to a new country should you be expected to learn the language? Or is that an unrealistic or outdated expectation?

the millions of illegals dont count.. they arent even in the usa technically. even the legals in tx cant speak english in some business they OWN.. i had to learn how to order al pastor tacos in spanish.
 

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Whatever percentage of those who aren't learning the language because they're lazy are only hurting themselves and make no appreciable impact on anyone's lives outside their own. I find it hard to care, and it seems those that do care so much tend to be complete dipshits.



Speak of the devil!

Says the guy who has devil in his username.

You seem awfully butthurt about what I am saying. I'm guessing you're someone who has illegally crossed our borders and has not even learned our language and is using Google Translate to read all of our conversations.

Tell me, was I spot on?
 

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Says the guy who has devil in his username.

You seem awfully butthurt about what I am saying. I'm guessing you're someone who has illegally crossed our borders and has not even learned our language and is using Google Translate to read all of our conversations.

Tell me, was I spot on?

Butt hurt? Nah. But I do enjoy making fun of people like you, the kind of people that made my Grandfather embarrassed of his Sicilian accent and to refuse to go by his real name because it also sounded too Sicilian.

EDIT: You also missed by about a mile.

Well going back to my original comment I think it hurts in a classroom setting. It does impact the other kids when the teacher has to spend more time with the kids who are behind in language skills.

That's a different problem than what was described in the OP. I don't know what the fix to that is, maybe it's something that can be corrected as a byproduct of smaller classrooms.
 

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Butt hurt? Nah. But I do enjoy making fun of people like you, the kind of people that made my Grandfather embarrassed of his Sicilian accent and to refuse to go by his real name because it also sounded too Sicilian.

EDIT: You also missed by about a mile.



That's a different problem than what was described in the OP. I don't know what the fix to that is, maybe it's something that can be corrected as a byproduct of smaller classrooms.

No one forced your grandfather to do anything. He is his own man who made his own decision. Don't make me sound like the bad guy.
 

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No one forced your grandfather to do anything. He is his own man who made his own decision. Don't make me sound like the bad guy.


Did the Jews decide to be soap when Hitler told 'em to? Come on, tribar...
 

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There were plenty of middle aged and older Italians who never learned English when they came to the US. They lived in Italian communities and never needed to learn it to get by. Now many of their descendants are bitching about Hispanics not learning English. And when the Hispanics have all been Americanized in a few generations, their descendants will ***** about the next ethnic minority "refusing to fit in".
 

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