No Hablo Ingles?.

[SilenceS]

Why do people fucking care what language someone speaks? People can live in whatever community they want and speak whatever the **** they want. Why does anyone get to have an opinion on what language someone else speaks?

If you have to interact with someone who doesn't speak english, you do your best to communicate the best you can. Its BASIC HUMAN DECENCY. If it doesn't work, fine. Move the **** on. I assure you, folks that do not speak english are much more disadvantaged for it than you are.

I swear to **** the united states is the only country in the world where so many people can't fucking fathom that not everyone speaks the same language they do.

So tired of people that act like basic decency and consideration is just far too imposing for them to engage in. They fucking piss and moan about how other people are not considerate enough to account for their needs... yadda yadda yadda.

Shut the **** up and manage your own person. Its the only thing you can actually control, so can you fucking please manage the most basic level of human decency.

:smoke:

 

[Urblock]

Why do people fucking care what language someone speaks? People can live in whatever community they want and speak whatever the **** they want. Why does anyone get to have an opinion on what language someone else speaks?

If you have to interact with someone who doesn't speak english, you do your best to communicate the best you can. Its BASIC HUMAN DECENCY. If it doesn't work, fine. Move the **** on. I assure you, folks that do not speak english are much more disadvantaged for it than you are.

I swear to **** the united states is the only country in the world where so many people can't fucking fathom that not everyone speaks the same language they do.

So tired of people that act like basic decency and consideration is just far too imposing for them to engage in. They fucking piss and moan about how other people are not considerate enough to account for their needs... yadda yadda yadda.

Shut the **** up and manage your own person. Its the only thing you can actually control, so can you fucking please manage the most basic level of human decency.

Shut Up.

 

[botfly10]

I feel like it should be mandatory that everyone in the US spend at least a month outside of north america. Like through high school. Or some program right after high school. Some shit like that. Just to get a little fucking perspective.

 

[bearmick]

I feel like it should be mandatory that everyone in the US spend at least a month outside of north america. Like through high school. Or some program right after high school. Some shit like that. Just to get a little fucking perspective.

This I definitely agree with this, although I see it as a separate issue to the usage of common language (which I view as a practical issue).

 

[Camden Cutler]

murica

 

[Novak]

Shut Up.

Be nice, urblack

 

[LordKOTL]

Eh, they know the language. They pretend not to when its convenient. Try to screw them on money and see how fast they comprehend.

Actually happened to my bro. A couple of latinos knocked their truck into his car and pretended to not understand english. A quick call to the INS with a licence plate rectified the situation.

Still, I think this is more the exception than the norm. Given the hunge anti-immigrant sentiment pervasive in the states now, coming off as if you don't speak english could very well unwanted attention from the INS--whether your legal or not.

A couple questions:

As an immigrant to a new country should you be expected to learn the language? Or is that an unrealistic or outdated expectation?

How long should it take? 1 year? 5 Years? 10 Years?

I would argue you should learn the language of whatever country you move to at some point. Native fluency is not required. But a working proficiency would do. In my book 5 years is long enough if you're making a legit effort. If you've lived in a place for 10, 15 years or more and you still don't know how to communicate then you're just not making an effort IMO.

Thoughts?

I can't speak for most, but my wife passed the Oxford Fluency exam (british) in High School and passed the TOEFL (american) twice. So, that wasn't an issue (It also helped that her high school english teacher hailed from Red Deer, and was not a native Slovak fluent in English). On the converse side, if I'm ever going to a place where I don't have a working grasp of the language (or a guide who's a native speaker or fluent), I always carry a phrasebook. The last time my in-laws visited, they did the same--carried a phrasebook.

The problem is that the law in the US as I know it's defined does not have an "official" language. English just kinda settled in as the default. As such, locale dominates. IMHO though, whatever's dominant in the locale is what an immigrant should learn. Since for the bulk of the US it's english, it should be English. Even so, fluency may not be requred, but enough of a grasp that you could get by should be a given.

It is very distracting, my daughters school won't do the smaller classrooms and the school suffers for it. Schools are running on a thread as it is,not enough money for that.

Of course, who wants to shell out more taxes? It's not like the money can be reallocated with all of the other programs having a vise-grip on their slice of the pie.

 

[KittiesKorner]

I think it's a good thing for children to learn as many languages as possible while their neurons and dendrites are more malleable and capable of brilliance. If one bitter confirmed bachelor gym rat wants to move to nogales and fight off the mexican invaders with his big muscles, nobody is stopping you

 

[Sunbiz1]

I think it's a good thing for children to learn as many languages as possible while their neurons and dendrites are more malleable and capable of brilliance. If one bitter confirmed bachelor gym rat wants to move to nogales and fight off the mexican invaders with his big muscles, nobody is stopping you

**** off.

 

[KittiesKorner]

Okay. Fucking off.

 

[Mitchapalooza]

murica

Shoot first ask never

 

[Mitchapalooza]

I think it's a good thing for children to learn as many languages as possible while their neurons and dendrites are more malleable and capable of brilliance. If one bitter confirmed bachelor gym rat wants to move to nogales and fight off the mexican invaders with his big muscles, nobody is stopping you

I think its before age 7 or 8 where children pick up language naturally. Somehow i want my future child to grow up around me, a mexican speaking person, an italian speaking person and a german speaking person.

 

[KittiesKorner]

We aren't big macs. Some kids pick up languages faster than others, some don't, but neuron-dendrite synthesis slows with age. If you don't want to live in a nation of immigrants, move to the fertile crescent

 

[Mitchapalooza]

We aren't big macs. Some kids pick up languages faster than others, some don't, but neuron-dendrite synthesis slows with age. If you don't want to live in a nation of immigrants, move to the fertile crescent or some shit

Maybe your kid isnt a big mac but mine sure as **** will be. Capisce?

 

[KittiesKorner]

Uh right!

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

I feel like it should be mandatory that everyone in the US spend at least a month outside of north america. Like through high school. Or some program right after high school. Some shit like that. Just to get a little fucking perspective.

Actually you're the one who I think needs a little perspective. Many countries expect you to speak their language. Especially if you want to be a citizen of that country. (Mexico for one, the UK I believe is another) America is probably one of the more accommodating countries to people who don't speak the dominant language.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Agreed. This is probably one of the only things you and I are going to agree on.

If I was moving to a non-English speaking country, I would make a point of learning the language (fluently, but that's just me personally) BEFORE I moved there, so that I was prepared upon arrival, for both the benefit of others and myself. It doesn't help anyone to not be familiar with the local language in any place they live.

I would be embarrassed to be living in a non-English speaking country and be incapable of communicating in the normal and expected manner with the general population, and would certainly never expect the locals to speak or accommodate a foreign language for my benefit.

We've agreed on many other things in the past Mick.

 

[bearmick]

We've agreed on many other things in the past Mick.

We have, I just mean in terms of the topics where those of mainly left and right persuasion usually fall predictably in their opinions. I've always thought it was bizarre that anyone would even want to be living in a certain place and not be fluent in the primary language.

But then again as a social type of guy I've always thought it bizarre that anyone would prefer to "stick to their own" and not want to mix with the general population. I can't imagine living with that kind of limitation. It seems like such a social and practical disadvantage. Any country I went to live in, I'd want to be in the thick of local society as much as I could.

 

[SilenceS]

We have, I just mean in terms of the topics where those of mainly left and right persuasion usually fall predictably in their opinions. I've always thought it was bizarre that anyone would even want to be living in a certain place and not be fluent in the primary language.

But then again as a social type of guy I've always thought it bizarre that anyone would prefer to "stick to their own" and not want to mix with the general population. I can't imagine living with that kind of limitation. It seems like such a social and practical disadvantage. Any country I went to live in, I'd want to be in the thick of local society as much as I could.

You are a social butterfly?


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[HeHateMe]

You are a social butterfly?


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One doesn't have to do a bunch of coke to be a social person.