Now the hard work for Pace begins

[The Hawk]

I completely and with 100% certainty disagree.

And I don't know what you were watching to say this.

Losing doesn't mean we quit. Losing means we didn't have the talent to win.

Quitting is what happened the year before.

If you can't see the difference, it's not worth discussing.

I watched the same games you did and they quit in those last 3-4 games. Portis, for example, was running away from having to make a tackle and was pretty much laughing and acting out on the field. I am not saying all of them quit but quite a few did, particularly when they actually had to play some good teams at the end of the season. The guy that I admired was Freeman. He never took a play off.

 

[The Hawk]

Some narrative you got there. They lost 4 games by a matter of one score. The team as a whole had the most injury stricken season in my years as a Bears fan. The defense certainly didn't have very much quit in them last season. They were pretty damn resilient despite the mounting injuries. The offense was pitiful at scoring. They moved the ball but couldn't finish off drives. Its no surprise that Pace added more to the offense this time around. Barring another shitfest season of players dropping like flies I don't see any way we end up being as bad as last season.

Losing teams fake injuries and stay off the field when they can. Tell me Fuller didn't quit. How about Jeffrey? How about Portis? How about Leno? Why do good teams over-come injuries and guys play through pain. You know why. Because they are winners that is why and are willing to play through pain. To think that this team is somehow just snake bitten with injuries and that is why they are so shitty is just a fan-boy excuse. They do not have good talent in the starting line-up, especially on offense. Injuries have an effect when a quality guy is lost and another guy who is much worse than he is takes over. This is not the case that I see. I see their starters as being shitty to begin with and their subs being just as shitty.

 

[The Hawk]

Mongo's been killing it for the past week. He's the real MVP.

Mongo is a good poster. I just don't agree with him on the future of this team and its coaching staff.

 

[The Hawk]

Some narrative you got there. They lost 4 games by a matter of one score. The team as a whole had the most injury stricken season in my years as a Bears fan. The defense certainly didn't have very much quit in them last season. They were pretty damn resilient despite the mounting injuries. The offense was pitiful at scoring. They moved the ball but couldn't finish off drives. Its no surprise that Pace added more to the offense this time around. Barring another shitfest season of players dropping like flies I don't see any way we end up being as bad as last season.

Um, what offense did Pace add this time around? Sure they put a few new players in jerseys but what offense did they add. Their quarterbacking next year will still be worse, their receivers shit, and their tackles bad. It is their starters on offense that are bad. Whether these guys sustain injuries or not doesn't hide the fact that their talent going in is bad. This is going to be a terrible offense.

 

[Aesopian]

2018 is a much more realistic view on when this team turns it up a notch.

The first part of 2017 could be the continuation of rock bottom especially considering the schedule.

But what would be really nice to see this year is:
-- another season where the team doesn't quit again (they did not quit last year),
-- some young playmakers emerge (Le Blanc, White, Floyd, Bullard, Cohen, Shaheen, etc...
-- the team get and stay healthy
-- Natural leaders stepping up. We had almost no leadership on either side of the ball last year.
-- better play at the end of the season then at the begining (progress)

I'll take another 3-13 to 5-11 season if the above (which really isn't asking a lot) happens.

Hit the nail on the head and it's why I was hoping the Bears would draft Jamal Adams.

 

[xer0h0ur]

Um, what offense did Pace add this time around? Sure they put a few new players in jerseys but what offense did they add. Their quarterbacking next year will still be worse, their receivers shit, and their tackles bad. It is their starters on offense that are bad. Whether these guys sustain injuries or not doesn't hide the fact that their talent going in is bad. This is going to be a terrible offense.

What are you blind? His draft had more offensive players than defensive players and he also added UDFA/FA offensive players. My post didn't say shit about how good they are or if they will turn out to be good for us. Your crackpot injury/quit theory is still full Special person.

 

[xer0h0ur]

Losing teams fake injuries and stay off the field when they can. Tell me Fuller didn't quit. How about Jeffrey? How about Portis? How about Leno? Why do good teams over-come injuries and guys play through pain. You know why. Because they are winners that is why and are willing to play through pain. To think that this team is somehow just snake bitten with injuries and that is why they are so shitty is just a fan-boy excuse. They do not have good talent in the starting line-up, especially on offense. Injuries have an effect when a quality guy is lost and another guy who is much worse than he is takes over. This is not the case that I see. I see their starters as being shitty to begin with and their subs being just as shitty.

Holy shit you truly are that Special person.

"Chicago's 155.1 AGL is the highest in our database since 2000, eclipsing the 141.3 AGL for the 2013 Giants. Chicago had 12 players incur at least 6.0 AGL. The next closest teams were Buffalo and San Diego with eight such players each. The Bears suffered at various positions, starting with center Hroniss Grasu, who tore his ACL in August. Wide receiver Kevin White has only managed to play four games in his first two seasons after Chicago selected him seventh overall in 2015. No one expected the offense to be led in rushing by rookie Jordan Howard and in receiving by Cameron Meredith, but injuries helped cause that. Quarterback was also a big problem with Jay Cutler missing 11 games and Brian Hoyer lost for the season before November, prompting Matt Barkley to start the final six games. Barkley was actually the team's fourth choice at the position, as third-string quarterback Connor Shaw broke his leg in the preseason. The defense also suffered with significant time missed by Kyle Fuller, Lamarr Houston, Eddie Goldman, Danny Trevathan, and Pernell McPhee.

Not surprisingly, the Bears finished 3-13 and had a disappointing season. However, the team was still 25th in DVOA instead of dead last, and played pretty competitively down the stretch despite Barkley playing in a rag-tag offense. The correlation between 2016 AGL and 2016 team DVOA was -0.31, which is essentially the average of what we have observed over the years."

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2017/2016-adjusted-games-lost

Seriously, just fucking fade to black.

 

[WindyCity]

Kevin White
Kendall Wright
Markus Wheaton
Dion Sims
Adam Shaheen
Tom Compton, thank god we haven't had a competent backup OT in years.
Jordan Morgan
Tarik Cohen

They added on offense. They are the same or more talented at every spot except for Jeffery.

 

[Hbkrusso]

Fuck it, let him be optimistic. I expect a fairly well improved team barring another insane string of injuries like last year. I just won't go as far as saying playoffs.

we win 9 games no playoffs

 

[The Hawk]

What are you blind? His draft had more offensive players than defensive players and he also added UDFA/FA offensive players. My post didn't say shit about how good they are or if they will turn out to be good for us. Your crackpot injury/quit theory is still full Special person.

None of the offensive players drafted will start. For Christ sake they only drafted 5 players in all so you are going to tell me that this makes somekind of difference. Last years team quit at the end of the season, particularly on defense. They were a joke on the field running away from contact and dogging plays all around. I remember Portis coming off of the field yukking it up while the imbecile Fox was clapping his hands on the sidelines. Yeah, really great example of what great morale gives you on the Chicago Bears.

 

[The Hawk]

Holy shit you truly are that Special person.

"Chicago's 155.1 AGL is the highest in our database since 2000, eclipsing the 141.3 AGL for the 2013 Giants. Chicago had 12 players incur at least 6.0 AGL. The next closest teams were Buffalo and San Diego with eight such players each. The Bears suffered at various positions, starting with center Hroniss Grasu, who tore his ACL in August. Wide receiver Kevin White has only managed to play four games in his first two seasons after Chicago selected him seventh overall in 2015. No one expected the offense to be led in rushing by rookie Jordan Howard and in receiving by Cameron Meredith, but injuries helped cause that. Quarterback was also a big problem with Jay Cutler missing 11 games and Brian Hoyer lost for the season before November, prompting Matt Barkley to start the final six games. Barkley was actually the team's fourth choice at the position, as third-string quarterback Connor Shaw broke his leg in the preseason. The defense also suffered with significant time missed by Kyle Fuller, Lamarr Houston, Eddie Goldman, Danny Trevathan, and Pernell McPhee.

Not surprisingly, the Bears finished 3-13 and had a disappointing season. However, the team was still 25th in DVOA instead of dead last, and played pretty competitively down the stretch despite Barkley playing in a rag-tag offense. The correlation between 2016 AGL and 2016 team DVOA was -0.31, which is essentially the average of what we have observed over the years."

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2017/2016-adjusted-games-lost

Seriously, just fucking fade to black.

All that points out is that when a Bear gets dinged up a bit, Fox puts him as questionable for the game almost automatically. Its just an excuse that Fox does for losing the game. Good teams only put truly injured players on these lists. If you don't think that losing teams do not jake injuries in order to collect paychecks then you are either stupid or very naive.

 

[DaaBears]

All that points out is that when a Bear gets dinged up a bit, Fox puts him as questionable for the game almost automatically. Its just an excuse that Fox does for losing the game. Good teams only put truly injured players on these lists. If you don't think that losing teams do not jake injuries in order to collect paychecks then you are either stupid or very naive.

Everybody is entitled to their opinion, but this post just sounds outright nutty. Try to get it together. What you wrote here, did not happen.

 

[xer0h0ur]

Everybody is entitled to their opinion, but this post just sounds outright nutty. Try to get it together. What you wrote here, did not happen.

You can't fix stupid.

 

[xer0h0ur]

None of the offensive players drafted will start. For Christ sake they only drafted 5 players in all so you are going to tell me that this makes somekind of difference. Last years team quit at the end of the season, particularly on defense. They were a joke on the field running away from contact and dogging plays all around. I remember Portis coming off of the field yukking it up while the imbecile Fox was clapping his hands on the sidelines. Yeah, really great example of what great morale gives you on the Chicago Bears.

Kevin White
Kendall Wright
Markus Wheaton
Dion Sims
Adam Shaheen
Tom Compton, thank god we haven't had a competent backup OT in years.
Jordan Morgan
Tarik Cohen

They added on offense. They are the same or more talented at every spot except for Jeffery.

That isn't even the full list but you really make it easy to shit on your stupidity.

 

[The Hawk]

Everybody is entitled to their opinion, but this post just sounds outright nutty. Try to get it together. What you wrote here, did not happen.

LEt me ask you this, then. Do you think that losing teams have more or less players sit out games than winning teams? That's pretty much all that I am saying. Also, do you think that it is pretty arbitrary how a coach decides to rate a player as questionable or out for a game or do they all do it the same.''

I think that a lot of people would be very surprised at how many football players jake injuries. I also believe that if a player is playing for a contract the following season, he will bust his ass while another who already has a guaranteed contract will not typically bust his ass as much. Look, football is a terribly violent game. I sure as shit would not want to have my body absorb that punishment for a minute let alone as long as those guys play. I am just saying that it is human nature for a lot of these guys to jake it when they are on a shitty team especially.

 

[DaaBears]

LEt me ask you this, then. Do you think that losing teams have more or less players sit out games than winning teams? That's pretty much all that I am saying. Also, do you think that it is pretty arbitrary how a coach decides to rate a player as questionable or out for a game or do they all do it the same.''

I think that a lot of people would be very surprised at how many football players jake injuries. I also believe that if a player is playing for a contract the following season, he will bust his ass while another who already has a guaranteed contract will not typically bust his ass as much. Look, football is a terribly violent game. I sure as shit would not want to have my body absorb that punishment for a minute let alone as long as those guys play. I am just saying that it is human nature for a lot of these guys to jake it when they are on a shitty team especially.

Yup, lots of fake operations on knees and stuff too. The medical staff was in on this conspiracy too?

 

[WindyCity]

I think the Bears are better at

TE
QB
OT

The same at

OG/C
RB

Worse at

WR

 

[Wild_x_Card]

#fullhawk

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

If we stop bum chasing we would be a year away from some good football

 

[Wild_x_Card]

I think the Bears are better at

TE
QB
OT

The same at

OG/C
RB

Worse at

WR

Let's be honest, it's not that hard to make up for AJ's production. I think as a whole they'll be better off this year, with health being the only caveat.