NY Knicks Fire Derek Fisher

[Scoot26]

who says its out of date? if I remember correctly, a triangle run team won it all last in 2010....somehow 2010 is out of date? the triangle can still win titles...just need the right personnel. just like if you want to play small ball you need the right personnel to do so

You can win anything with the best players in the league.

Small ball dominates because of the zone defense changes and the disappearance of the NBA center.

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[Axl Rose]

the right personal? like Michael or Kobe?

good luck getting a player like that

 

[knoxville7]

You can win anything with the best players in the league.

Small ball dominates because of the zone defense changes and the disappearance of the NBA center.

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so then you agree that the triangle isn't out dated like you previously said? lol
and the center position hasn't disappeared from the NBA...

Drummond
howard
Jordan
cousins
whiteside
both gasols
towns
Anthony davis(you can argue pf or c)
Monroe
vucevic
chandler
lopez(both of them)
kanter
okafor
horford
dieng
jokic
etc...

I mean theres some real talent out there at that position IMO

 

[knoxville7]

the right personal? like Michael or Kobe?

good luck getting a player like that

same could be said for the small ball approach....good luck getting a curry/Thompson pairing in your backcourt

 

[Axl Rose]

same could be said for the small ball approach....good luck getting a curry/Thompson pairing in your backcourt

good luck winning a championship without a top 5 player unless you're located in San Antonio

 

[knoxville7]

good luck winning a championship without a top 5 player unless you're located in San Antonio

when did I say otherwise? and tim Duncan was a top 5 player the majority of those titles

 

[Scoot26]

so then you agree that the triangle isn't out dated like you previously said? lol
and the center position hasn't disappeared from the NBA...

Drummond
howard
Jordan
cousins
whiteside
both gasols
towns
Anthony davis(you can argue pf or c)
Monroe
vucevic
chandler
lopez(both of them)
kanter
okafor
horford
dieng
jokic
etc...

I mean theres some real talent out there at that position IMO

We don't see the center dominate like they use to. They also don't play in their traditional position much anymore. Hell the all star game got rid of the center position for a reason.

No team has won a championship using the triangle without having the two greatest guards, one of whom was the greatest ever. Not to mention the Lakers had one of the best centers ever for the first part.

The Knicks don't have that nor are they getting that any time soon. So yes I think Phil should allow for some offensive creativity rather than the same old story which completely limits whom he can hire and limits what personnel end up on the team.

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[knoxville7]

We don't see the center dominate like they use to. They also don't play in their traditional position much anymore. Hell the all star game got rid of the center position for a reason.

No team has won a championship using the triangle without having the two greatest guards, one of whom was the greatest ever. Not to mention the Lakers had one of the best centers ever for the first part.

The Knicks don't have that nor are they getting that any time soon. So yes I think Phil should allow for some offensive creativity rather than the same old story which completely limits whom he can hire and limits what personnel end up on the team.

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its fine if you think phil should allow for more offensive creativity. Its just to say that the triangle is out dated is simply false

 

[Scoot26]

its fine if you think phil should allow for more offensive creativity. Its just to say that the triangle is out dated is simply false

It's out dated in the sense he doesn't have the personnel to run it. And he may never have it again. So shoving it down the throats of his players isn't going to make it happen any time soon.

When Phil started using it he already has the great players in place. Same with his first stint with the Lakers.

His second stint, the triangle worked poorly until they got Gasol. So his system pretty much shows it completely relies on having very talented players.

Not all systems need to in order to succeed, of course if we're talking championships, then yes everything needs talent.

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[knoxville7]

It's out dated in the sense he doesn't have the personnel to run it. And he may never have it again. So shoving it down the throats of his players isn't going to make it happen any time soon.

When Phil started using it he already has the great players in place. Same with his first stint with the Lakers.

His second stint, the triangle worked poorly until they got Gasol. So his system pretty much shows it completely relies on having very talented players.

Not all systems need to in order to succeed, of course if we're talking championships, then yes everything needs talent.

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agreed he inherited great players. but mike, kobe, shaq, pau, etc...didnt win shit until they played for Phil and the triangle either :shrug:

 

[Scoot26]

agreed he inherited great players. but mike, kobe, shaq, pau, etc...didnt win shit until they played for Phil and the triangle either :shrug:

Jordan had gone to an ecf, and Shaq lost in the finals. Kobe was basically developed by Phil, and Pau always needed to play second fiddle unlike the number one he was in Memphis.

Phil did elevate everyone. And I'm not saying the triangle was never something to not take seriously, I also think times change. And I do think they can change rather quickly. Show time ended in 1989 with one final kinda meh hurrah in 1991. In 1985 it was all the thing.

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[knoxville7]

Jordan had gone to an ecf, and Shaq lost in the finals. Kobe was basically developed by Phil, and Pau always needed to play second fiddle unlike the number one he was in Memphis.

Phil did elevate everyone. And I'm not saying the triangle was never something to not take seriously, I also think times change. And I do think they can change rather quickly. Show time ended in 1989 with one final kinda meh hurrah in 1991. In 1985 it was all the thing.

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fair enough. I just think its a bit soon to say the triangle is dead and gone when a team won it all in 2010 running it and 11 of the last 23 championships. IMO the knicks are starting to get to where they have the personnel to run the triangle effectively. porzingis, melo, afflalo all fit the scheme on paper to me. give phil time to find the PG he needs, the knicks are already ahead of where most people thought they would be at this point

 

[Axl Rose]

when did I say otherwise? and tim Duncan was a top 5 player the majority of those titles

small ball can be ran correctly without Curry/Klay although if you want to a dominate championship team you would need them...not sure the triangle has ever been ran correctly without top flight players

i don't think theres any coach that can teach it correctly besides Phil/Tex either...but like scoot said it may not be outdated in the sense that if it had top flight all time great players running it they couldn't win a championship

but for a regular team its best to keep all options open and not put yourself in a box stuck on the triangle...as its never proved to be successful without Jordan/Kobe and Phil coaching

 

[knoxville7]

small ball can be ran correctly without Curry/Klay although if you want to a dominate championship team you would need them not sure the triangle has ever been ran correctly without top flight players

i don't think theres any coach that can teach it correctly besides Phil/Tex either...but like scoot said it may not be outdated in the sense that if it had top flight all time great players running it they couldn't win a championship

but for a regular team its best to keep all options open and not put yourself in a box stuck on the triangle...as its never proved to be successful without Jordan/Kobe and Phil coaching

and when was this??

 

[Scoot26]

and when was this??

Phoenix ran small ball correctly. They just refused to play defense.

Dallas under Nelson ran it too, similar results though.

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[knoxville7]

Phoenix ran small ball correctly. They just refused to play defense.

Dallas under Nelson ran it too, similar results though.

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similar results being early playoff exits? small ball has less of a track record of success than the triangle does. if you want to think the triangle is dead and small ball is the future that's fine, but don't act like small ball has a history of success because it doesnt

 

[clonetrooper264]

Omg plz

[Dennis Rodman] Hey Phil Jackson Nyknicks, I have a pretty decent resume on the court and I can coach; and I'm available. Call me.

 

[Axl Rose]

plus smallball is just now starting to catch on and become a league wide thing...off top of my head i can't name one non-Phil coached team that has ran the triangle successfully not even on a small scale such as making the playoffs

and the only one that was moderately successful without Jordan/Kobe was the 94 Bulls with Pippen/Grant who were great players, had years learning and had won 3 championships by then

 

[dreadpirateroberts]

So is KD going to Washington then, Anthony Davis to Chicago?

I think Westbrook will decide based on where he thinks he can win a title (and who has money ).

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We all wish Davis could come home, but he is stuck in that shitty situation in New Orleans for the next 5 years.

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[knoxville7]

smallball is just now starting to catch on and become a league wide thing...off top of my head i can't name one none Phil coached team that has ran the triangle successfully not even on a small scale such as making the playoffs

and the only one that was moderately successful without Jordan/Kobe was the 94 Bulls with Pippen/Grant who were great players and had years learning and had won 3 championships by them

ummm name teams that have even tried running the triangle other than the bulls, lakers, and now knicks?