O.T. Sanders sabotaged himself in meetings.

[Xplosive]

You sure are trying to die on the Shedur Sanders is a victim of systemic racism hill.

Who?

 

[wklink]

Who?

I forgot the e. Big effing deal. Obviously you can't answer the question. Are you willing to die on on the 'Shedeur Sanders is a victim of systemic racism in the NFL,' hill? That's what you are insinuating, isn't it?

 

[Xplosive]

I forgot the e. Big effing deal. Obviously you can't answer the question. Are you willing to die on on the 'Shedeur Sanders is a victim of systemic racism in the NFL,' hill? That's what you are insinuating, isn't it?

Stop it. I have zero interest in defending the honor of Shedeur Sanders. I simply stated facts about what has happened in the NFL and got into a petty sidebar about "white knighting" with DC. Can I say for certain that racism had anything to do with him not being selected, nope. Is racsism, oppression, & discrimination, still a problem (for those that are affected) yes indeed.

Most people have no idea who Shedeur or even his father are, yet people everywhere seem to have an opinion. I haven't even seen YOU discussing the Chicago Bears here in other threads but this topic brings people out of the shadows for a reason. It's bigger than Shedeur Sanders so people like to chime in.

Ultimately outside of being overconfident and arrogant, he isn't even that good of a player. It's not just that he's African American, he also plays into people's bias against the "hood" culture that he flaunts. That may be ok for a DE/WR/DB like his father, but most teams don't want that from the QB who they are trying to market as the face of the franchise. Personally I never liked his father and his "must be the money" act. All that fake preacher, look at all my diamonds and gold, loud mouth ignorant behavior isn't anything I will be signing up to defend.

As I said, I hope he and his family learned some lessons... And back to discussing something we all supposedly agree on.

Go Bears.

 

[Aquineas]

I forgot the e. Big effing deal. Obviously you can't answer the question. Are you willing to die on on the 'Shedeur Sanders is a victim of systemic racism in the NFL,' hill? That's what you are insinuating, isn't it?

It was a simple typo; I've misspelled his name a ton as well. I can't speak for intent, but lots of people make that mistake. As you say, no big deal.

I feel like this is a case of the "bundling". Full-disclosure, I liked watching Sanders play. I thought he has two things in a QB that I feel are good qualities: he's tough as hell and took a beating and still stands in there to deliver the rock (mostly because he inherits little of any of his dad's speed lol), and he's also going to find a way to win games if possible. I had no insight into how much of a dickhead he was at Colorado; but as many have said, he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. I watched one of the videos of he and Cam Ward getting into it at a some "friendly" joint training workout/event and Cam called him out for doing spending more time on the video and discussing/opening a box of designer shoes than on the workout. Cam wasn't wrong. The two of them have a little beef going which should be amusing to observe as their careers play out.

Many things seemingly conflicting can be simultaneously true to some degree; life is not a case of absolutes. Unfortunately humans have a tendency to bundle things together to endorse or discard an entire argument while ignoring the "inconvenient" parts. Life is a bunch of gray areas.

• Shedeur can have decent QB skills and be a winning QB. He's tough as nails, a winner, and throws guys open. I honestly believe that wherever he ends up and wherever he plays, he's a winner and will help a team.
• However he has definitely lived a privileged life. His Dad had him connecting with Tom Brady while he was a lad and has had him in QB schools his entire life. I don't blame him; I would use whatever resources at my disposal to give my children every opportunity to pursue their goals.
• I feel like people in general do need to take more responsibility for their actions and their lot in life, whatever hand you've been dealt. Unfortunately life is not fair. But you can literally study the full Harvard CS curriculum for free online. The hardest classes on campus (which for me while studying Mechanical Engineering was Statics and Dynamics), have videos on Youtube that can be used to supplement your learning. Having trouble with Calculus? Fear not! There are ways to fix that. One just has to allocate time properly. Curtis Caroll is an incarcerated millionaire stock trader who taught himself how to trade stocks while incarcerated (unfortunately for him he's still incarcerated). It's just that it wasn't until he was incarcerated that allocated his time properly (mostly because he was forced to and had nothing left to do). Unfortunately, some cultures are better at that than others. Bill Cosby, however much of a creepy scumbag he is, was speaking truth with his infamous "pound-cake" speech from years ago
• There can be and is systemic racism. Yelling "that's woke" or "that's DEI" doesn't change the fact that there are inequities in place
• Yelling "but slavery!!" does not mean Sanders is not an entitled asshole. If it's true that he was stupid enough to not study a play-package that he was given prior to a job-interview, he shouldn't have gotten the job. When I interviewed with Facebook a few years ago, I had to study my ass off for that interiew. There's not an owner or offensive coordinator in the league who isn't aware that young Michael Vick admitted that he never watched the videos that his head-coach sent home with him, or that JaMarcus Russell was sent home with blank videos that he claimed to have watched. Starting QB rates in the NFL start with a 5. No coach wants to pay $50 million a year to a QB that's going to not put in the time and get him fired.
• People are generally less empathetic to people that don't look like them and are less forgiving.

(edited for grammar)

 

[vabearsfan15]

I'd look at Daboll not as a talent evaluator, but as a talent developer. Josh Allen might agree.

Perhaps Daboll couldn't see Shedeur as someone that could be developed.

The Bills offense is better now without Daboll. They never had a run game under him with him and now they do.

Regardless, the Giants are terrible and have progressively had a worse record every year under Daboll and their GM from the Bills. The Giants resigned Daniel Jones with Daboll as HC. They also let Saquon go to an arch rival and win a Super Bowl. They somehow managed to be 31st in the league in scoring offense last year which is 3 spots worse than the Bears who fired their OC midway in the season.

Jaxson Dart is a decent QB, but was successful in a tempo system under Lane Kiffin. He may end up being ok, but I wouldn't trust anything the Giants do until they prove it. The safe bet is to assume they screwed it up.

 

[jsu34]

Folks, this problem is much bigger than Sanders. Here is a kid who already has the money and came in perhaps a little too cocky, but the real issue is the NFL is trying to nip any idea that players will be able to pick and choose where they go and have any type of control coming out of college. We are in the NIL era and the NCAA has completely screwed everything up until this point. Look at Iamalaeva. He comes off looking like a fool, but if the NCAA had rules in place and they had binding contracts, it wouldn't have happened.

They heard Deion talking about controlling where his son would play, etc. This was the league's shot across the bow. I'm told the Mannings actually carried out this threat. I'm 100% certain the black family will not be permitted to do this. In fact, NO ONE, black, white, blue, or other will be allowed to dictate to the NFL where and when they will play. This is the league responding to players in the NIL era. Period.

As for all of the football illiterates out there: Sanders can play the position. He can play it well. At least enough to convince 100% of draft analysis that he was either #1, #2, or #3 of QBs in the draft. So stop the foolishness that this was solely based on his talent level or football acumen. It was not. Anyone believing so is a total fool and not worthy to debate.

It was his attitude and Deion that triggered this and the NFL teams took it a little too far. You know you have a problem when Grandma is asking why Shedeur hasn't been drafted yet and our President is tweeting that he should be drafted "NOW". Neither of these would normally be paying any attention.

Drunk driving, rape, murder, vehicular homicide, or any other allegations didn't cause a drop this far. Only an actual accused rapist fell this draft, and even he was being defended by the team that picked him. Shedeur did none of the above, but he perhaps committed a larger sin in the eyes of the league: Do not tell us What When and Where you will do something while wearing our shield.

 

[jsu34]

The Bills offense is better now without Daboll. They never had a run game under him with him and now they do.

Regardless, the Giants are terrible and have progressively had a worse record every year under Daboll and their GM from the Bills. The Giants resigned Daniel Jones with Daboll as HC. They also let Saquon go to an arch rival and win a Super Bowl. They somehow managed to be 31st in the league in scoring offense last year which is 3 spots worse than the Bears who fired their OC midway in the season.

Jaxson Dart is a decent QB, but was successful in a tempo system under Lane Kiffin. He may end up being ok, but I wouldn't trust anything the Giants do until they prove it. The safe bet is to assume they screwed it up.

Jaxson Dart can play, but sometimes he gets very undisciplined. Completely broke my heart in the LSU game. He can play well at times, but he will also let you down. Hopefully Wilson can start so he gets a chance to learn.

 

[vabearsfan15]

Jaxson Dart can play, but sometimes he gets very undisciplined. Completely broke my heart in the LSU game. He can play well at times, but he will also let you down. Hopefully Wilson can start so he gets a chance to learn.

I think Kiffin's scheme probably has more to do with Jaxson Dart's success than Dart himself. I don't see much difference in him than say Matt Corral. Maybe Dart was a little more successful, but he had better players around him as Ole Miss has hit the transfer portal hard the last 2 or 3 seasons.

 

[jsu34]

I think Kiffin's scheme probably has more to do with Jaxson Dart's success than Dart himself. I don't see much difference in him than say Matt Corral. Maybe Dart was a little more successful, but he had better players around him as Ole Miss has hit the transfer portal hard the last 2 or 3 seasons.

Very true. He had NFL caliber skill players around him.

 

[bamainatlanta]

Folks, this problem is much bigger than Sanders. Here is a kid who already has the money and came in perhaps a little too cocky, but the real issue is the NFL is trying to nip any idea that players will be able to pick and choose where they go and have any type of control coming out of college. We are in the NIL era and the NCAA has completely screwed everything up until this point. Look at Iamalaeva. He comes off looking like a fool, but if the NCAA had rules in place and they had binding contracts, it wouldn't have happened.

They heard Deion talking about controlling where his son would play, etc. This was the league's shot across the bow. I'm told the Mannings actually carried out this threat. I'm 100% certain the black family will not be permitted to do this. In fact, NO ONE, black, white, blue, or other will be allowed to dictate to the NFL where and when they will play. This is the league responding to players in the NIL era. Period.

As for all of the football illiterates out there: Sanders can play the position. He can play it well. At least enough to convince 100% of draft analysis that he was either #1, #2, or #3 of QBs in the draft. So stop the foolishness that this was solely based on his talent level or football acumen. It was not. Anyone believing so is a total fool and not worthy to debate.

It was his attitude and Deion that triggered this and the NFL teams took it a little too far. You know you have a problem when Grandma is asking why Shedeur hasn't been drafted yet and our President is tweeting that he should be drafted "NOW". Neither of these would normally be paying any attention.

Drunk driving, rape, murder, vehicular homicide, or any other allegations didn't cause a drop this far. Only an actual accused rapist fell this draft, and even he was being defended by the team that picked him. Shedeur did none of the above, but he perhaps committed a larger sin in the eyes of the league: Do not tell us What When and Where you will do something while wearing our shield.

Was Jalen Carter charged with vehicular homicide? Was Mike Green charged with rape? You aren’t “accused” until that official act happens. Big difference between alleged and accused.

 

[bamainatlanta]

Racism!

 

[dennehy]

You're right. The problem no longer exists, kumbaya my lord, kumbaya.

Well you should be able to point to where it still exists, and to why this is an instance of it.

But I think you are just being dense on purpose.

I am a professor who researches and writes on issues of race, so excuse for calling you a fucking idiot for assuming that I think the problem is solved.

 

[Kurtosis]

There’s no way anyone actually thinks this was race related, right? I get trolling for views though.

 

[bamainatlanta]

 

[dennehy]

I remember getting laughed at for saying Shadeur was a mid round pick at the height of his hype in 2023. Also remember writing about how brutal Ewers footwork is and how it would kill him as a prospect for several years.

Sanders isn't good enough to overcome the attitude issues and the circus that comes along with him. Coaches know it's likely to be a hassle, especially if he's not starting. Not really that complicated.

 

[PrideisBears]

There’s no way anyone actually thinks this was race related, right? I get trolling for views though.

Nah, well not completely. This is a humility issue. I do feel that some people feel that when black families show confidence it can be claimed as arrogance and that ruffles some hive minded feathers.

 

[Raskolnikov]

Folks, this problem is much bigger than Sanders. Here is a kid who already has the money and came in perhaps a little too cocky, but the real issue is the NFL is trying to nip any idea that players will be able to pick and choose where they go and have any type of control coming out of college. We are in the NIL era and the NCAA has completely screwed everything up until this point. Look at Iamalaeva. He comes off looking like a fool, but if the NCAA had rules in place and they had binding contracts, it wouldn't have happened.

They heard Deion talking about controlling where his son would play, etc. This was the league's shot across the bow. I'm told the Mannings actually carried out this threat. I'm 100% certain the black family will not be permitted to do this. In fact, NO ONE, black, white, blue, or other will be allowed to dictate to the NFL where and when they will play. This is the league responding to players in the NIL era. Period.

As for all of the football illiterates out there: Sanders can play the position. He can play it well. At least enough to convince 100% of draft analysis that he was either #1, #2, or #3 of QBs in the draft. So stop the foolishness that this was solely based on his talent level or football acumen. It was not. Anyone believing so is a total fool and not worthy to debate.

It was his attitude and Deion that triggered this and the NFL teams took it a little too far. You know you have a problem when Grandma is asking why Shedeur hasn't been drafted yet and our President is tweeting that he should be drafted "NOW". Neither of these would normally be paying any attention.

Drunk driving, rape, murder, vehicular homicide, or any other allegations didn't cause a drop this far. Only an actual accused rapist fell this draft, and even he was being defended by the team that picked him. Shedeur did none of the above, but he perhaps committed a larger sin in the eyes of the league: Do not tell us What When and Where you will do something while wearing our shield.

There is also a dynamic at play whenever it becomes a PR issue or side circus draft a player plus a limited number of teams hunting QB needs.

QB is about both fit and need. You have a player that only has a few fits among organizations and only a few organizations that have a need.

 

[modo]

Sanders was a fun college talent. That does not always translate to the NFL.

He reportedly came into the NFL meetings unprepared and with an attitude. What team would invest millions up front in that? The draft is about risk and reward. Sanders provides a lot of risk and not the reward everyone thinks.

If a team thought he could come in and help their franchise win football games, they would draft him. The NFL believes he is a worth a 5th round risk.

Its now up to Sanders to prove his NFL worth.

 

[alswank87]

The NFL has a long history of not wanting to give African American players a chance at QB and for years would always suggest they should play another position. Even Lamar Jackson had to wait until nearly the end of the 1st round to be selected despite having an amazing college career.

Its not that crazy. With that said, Shedeur is a dickhead and not nearly as good as he thinks. He still deserved to be picked earlier based on who was taken before him, but either way hopefully he and his family learned some valuable lessons.

This way of thinking is a cancer. If you want an example as to how, look at this thread. There are rare instances where those type of accusations are warranted, but not in a sporting world where most of the players are black and most recent top QB picks are black.

 

[msadows]

Reminds me of Jamarcus Russell being given "tape" to watch and said he watched it. Then the coaching staff knew he was bsing because there was nothing on the tape.

Maybe this will put some sense and work ethic into this dude, but i doubt it. The guy already lacks superior talent to succeed in the NFL, so he would need pristine work ethic in order to be a good NFL QB. I just dont see him putting in those hours.