O.T. Sanders sabotaged himself in meetings.

[msadows]

This way of thinking is a cancer. If you want an example as to how, look at this thread. There are rare instances where those type of accusations are warranted, but not in a sporting world where most of the players are black and most recent top QB picks are black.

Its a stupid thought.

Lamar went in the late first because he couldnt throw the ball...you know, the most important aspect of playing QB? He had very poor mechanics. A white guy named aaron rodgers slipped for the same reason and was a much better passer in college.

Legit we just had 2 black QB's drafted 1 and 2 in 2024, and then another 3 drafted in the top 5 in 2023. One of which cant throw the ball who was way overdrafted due to lamar.

The NFL isnt racist and there have been a ton of black QB's taken high. The issue is historically most of them depended on their athleticism in college vs. actually being good passers.

In order to be a good QB in the NFL you need a LOT of traits, and the high majority of these QB's lack them. Shadeur is one of them. Sure, he can refine his skillset with enough work but I just dont see it.

 

[--CyBear--]

More NFL starting QBs are Black and if you ranked the bunch by race they're qualitatively pretty even overall. Was it an issue? Absolutely. Is it still and issue? Not so much.

 

[alswank87]

Its a stupid thought.

Lamar went in the late first because he couldnt throw the ball...you know, the most important aspect of playing QB? He had very poor mechanics. A white guy named aaron rodgers slipped for the same reason and was a much better passer in college.

Legit we just had 2 black QB's drafted 1 and 2 in 2024, and then another 3 drafted in the top 5 in 2023. One of which cant throw the ball who was way overdrafted due to lamar.

The NFL isnt racist and there have been a ton of black QB's taken high. The issue is historically most of them depended on their athleticism in college vs. actually being good passers.

In order to be a good QB in the NFL you need a LOT of traits, and the high majority of these QB's lack them. Shadeur is one of them. Sure, he can refine his skillset with enough work but I just dont see it.

If Shedeur can figure it out, he has the tools to be an nfl qb. However, I don’t think I have ever seen a soul in the sporting world with the deck stacked against him to this degree in figuring it out. He would need to practically forget everything he has learned about everything non football in order to do that, and I don’t know if anyone is capable of that. He was spoiled rotten. It’s hard not to be spoiled when you come up with so much money and prestige.

 

[msadows]

More NFL starting QBs are Black and if you ranked the bunch by race they're, qualitatively pretty even overall. Was it an issue? Absolutely. Is it still and issue? Not so much.

Think Lamar jackson winning mvp's and Pat Mahomes challenging the GOAT basically crushed that whole "black guys cant play QB in the NFL"

Its absurd to think lamar was underdrafted because of his skin color. He was drafted where he was because they didnt know if he could play QB in the NFL. There was talks of switching him to WR or RB. The man had poor mechanics and a 57% completion percentage in college.

 

[msadows]

If Shedeur can figure it out, he has the tools to be an nfl qb. However, I don’t think I have ever seen a soul in the sporting world with the deck stacked against him to this degree in figuring it out. He would need to practically forget everything he has learned about everything non football in order to do that, and I don’t know if anyone is capable of that. He was spoiled rotten. It’s hard not to be spoiled when you come up with so much money and prestige.

Thats still a very hard ask. QB's much much more talented than him with much more work ethic couldnt figure it out.

The GOAT did it and refined his skillset but thats a situation thats very rare at the position.

I doubt he has the traits physically to be a good NFL QB, but I guess time will tell. I watched a lot of colorado and plenty of his throws just lack the zip to make him a real NFL QB. Its the same issue I have with bagent. If you cant consistently throw a 20 yard out you wont be a real legit starting NFL QB.

 

[--CyBear--]

The Bills offense is better now without Daboll. They never had a run game under him with him and now they do.

Regardless, the Giants are terrible and have progressively had a worse record every year under Daboll and their GM from the Bills. The Giants resigned Daniel Jones with Daboll as HC. They also let Saquon go to an arch rival and win a Super Bowl. They somehow managed to be 31st in the league in scoring offense last year which is 3 spots worse than the Bears who fired their OC midway in the season.

Jaxson Dart is a decent QB, but was successful in a tempo system under Lane Kiffin. He may end up being ok, but I wouldn't trust anything the Giants do until they prove it. The safe bet is to assume they screwed it up.

Sure but what about the other 1/2 dozen teams looking for a QB? Look, I don't care who the fucking HC, OC or QB is. You want to evaluate a guy with a simple rudimentary example and he fails while dismissing your attempt with attitude it's not going to be someone you hire for a leadership role.

See how that works in your next job interview.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

A lot of people blame Deon but I call BS on that as well. Deon Sanders may be a big mouth and a self promoter but he was always prepared to do his job and was smart both on and off the field. Pomposity is no big deal in this game, there are plenty of players that are full of themselves. But coaches, even Coach Prime himself, don't care for a lack of preparedness. I call this a good lesson for Shadur, if he chooses learn it. He has talent but the NFL is littered with talented players that didn't want to work. It is also filled with players that put in extra effort and succeeded where they probably should have failed.

I was listening to the Takke the North podcast this morning on my way into work, and they talked about Sanders in the first segment of the show. According to Dan Weiderer, Deion sold tickets and VIP packages to the Colorado Pro Day.

 

[Kurtosis]

Nah, well not completely. This is a humility issue. I do feel that some people feel that when black families show confidence it can be claimed as arrogance and that ruffles some hive minded feathers.

Maybe there’s a little bit of that there (and probably more in the reaction). I think he got drafted lower than he probably should have but I feel like that was because of self-inflicted wounds and not prejudice for the most part.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Bears f’d up by not drafting him. They were the one team in the NFL with the infrastructure already in place to deal with “QB father drama”!

 

[msadows]

Maybe there’s a little bit of that there (and probably more in the reaction). I think he got drafted lower than he probably should have but I feel like that was because of self-inflicted wounds and not prejudice for the most part.

Cam Ward was confident as **** and still went #1 overall.

The difference is Cam worked and scrapped for everything he's gotten thus far, while shadeur has had most of what he's gotten come easy to him.

 

[--CyBear--]

Think Lamar jackson winning mvp's and Pat Mahomes challenging the GOAT basically crushed that whole "black guys cant play QB in the NFL"

Its absurd to think lamar was underdrafted because of his skin color. He was drafted where he was because they didnt know if he could play QB in the NFL. There was talks of switching him to WR or RB. The man had poor mechanics and a 57% completion percentage in college.

Russell Wilson but I don't think it's so much about that as it is more black QBs in the college pool and NFL front offices/staffs also becoming more integrated. QB's are being evaluated like any other position.

 

[msadows]

Bears f’d up by not drafting him. They were the one team in the NFL with the infrastructure already in place to deal with “QB father drama”!

I actually did want them to take him once he dropped to that 4th round pick.

He's a better developmental backup than bagent.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

I actually did want them to take him once he dropped to that 4th round pick.

He's a better developmental backup than bagent.

I really didn’t watch him enough to have an opinion on his game, but I did wonder around the same part of the draft if he might be too good a value to pass up.

 

[Kurtosis]

I really didn’t watch him enough to have an opinion on his game, but I did wonder around the same part of the draft if he might be too good a value to pass up.

The dual QB threat that could have been.

 

[dennehy]

Sanders is about as much a pocket passer as you're going to get in CFB today. Probably not a plus athlete, not going to be a runner at all in the NFL. His best ability is seeing and throwing accurately at the second level from the pocket.

 

[bamainatlanta]

I remember getting laughed at for saying Shadeur was a mid round pick at the height of his hype in 2023. Also remember writing about how brutal Ewers footwork is and how it would kill him as a prospect for several years.

Sanders isn't good enough to overcome the attitude issues and the circus that comes along with him. Coaches know it's likely to be a hassle, especially if he's not starting. Not really that complicated.

It didn’t help that a couple of teams that actually wanted to draft Sanders were told that he didn’t want to play for them.

 

[Xplosive]

There are rare instances where those type of accusations are warranted, but not in a sporting world where most of the players are black and most recent top QB picks are black.

Exactly, get this Rooney rule diversity and equality crap out of football!!

 

[MakeMyDay]

I'm just glad Poles has solved this issue with the Bears at least for now...

Just looking at all the comments in this thread tells that we are fortunate it wasn't an option ...

 

[--CyBear--]

Nah, well not completely. This is a humility issue. I do feel that some people feel that when black families show confidence it can be claimed as arrogance and that ruffles some hive minded feathers.

Some people? Maybe but that's not what this instance describes. If a guy shows supreme arrogance for being above doing simple prep on a multimillion dollar proper job interview, **** his black, white or green ass. He'll need to be coached up like any QB in his position.

Showing an unwillingness to participate with some push back is an enormous red flag. It's a fricking job interview and he isn't entitled to anything. Of course a team won't accept it when you display an entitlement to not do your fucking job.

If Sanders was all that both body and brane, you'd think some 'unbiased' front office would have nabbed him as a backup before he got selected. Pittsburgh wouldn't touch him either. I doubt that was due to 'racial confidence'. Not saying stuff like that doesn't still exist in real life but cockiness is not something that will take you off an NFL draft board. They look for it... as long as you do the work.

Dude gave off Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell vibes BEFORE getting drafted. At least those guys waited until they got paid to dis their coaches.

 

[Forty-six]

My impression of Shedeur is that he has been crippled by his father, who has coddled him, insulated him from any negativity and handed him the starting QB position on whatever team he's been on. I'm not at all shocked that when teams called out Shedeur in his interviews for being unprepared that he pushed back as Shedeur has become accustomed to the world bending to his wants and needs. Welcome to the real world, Shedeur.

For Deion, how could he think being the only coach in Shedeur's life since his son began playing football would prepare him for life in the NFL? The QB position in the NFL is the face of your franchise. He's the CEO of your billion dollar business. You need a guy who is mature, someone who takes responsibility when times are tough and praises others when things go well. I'm not surprised teams said no thanks.