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People get fat because they eat too many calories. You put more energy in than you expend and the body stores that excess energy. Numerous studies show reduction in calories lead to weight loss, and one diet plan is not better than another. Use the one you can stick with. For me it has always been exchange based calorie reduction diets that encourage good choices and limit portion sizes (Weight watchers, 21 day solution are a couple good examples). Others do better on Atkins type diets or Sugar Busters.
 

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Who said that?
 

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Who said that?

It's not, imo. However, the book Grain Brain makes a case that grains in general and gluten is unhealthy. HHM has read it and has been singing it's praises, hopefully he will weigh in on the question. I haven't read the book yet but it is definitely on my list to read

That's really the first time i've heard somebody say oatmeal was bad. Also, some other people commented on the oatmeal being bad for you in this thread. I'm just curious because i'm trying to eat better and oatmeal was one of the things I was thinking about eating more of it with bananas.
 

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About 1 in 1000 people have celiac disease and shouldn't eat gluten. Gluten sensitivity without celiac disease is a fad thing without any clear medical research/evidence to support it. Oatmeal is a good choice.

Look for FODMAP restricted diets to be the next FAD.
 

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About 1 in 1000 people have celiac disease and shouldn't eat gluten. Gluten sensitivity without celiac disease is a fad thing without any clear medical research/evidence to support it. Oatmeal is a good choice.

Look for FODMAP restricted diets to be the next FAD.

Thanks for clearing that up. Maybe you can help me with my next question. The oatmeal my mother and wife make are completely different from one another. My wife's oatmeal is more brownish and pasty whereas my mothers is creaming and white. I prefer that kind, how do I make it? Add more milk? Substitute one ingredient over another?
 

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Can someone share with me the numerous experiments/studies in peer reviewed journals which show PLAIN, UNPROCESSED oatmeal eaten in MODERATE amounts to be deleterious to human health?

It's not a big deal, just fucking around a little bit. Oats are all right. I don't eat them now because I really wouldn't enjoy them without somthing to sweeten them, and I've eliminated sugar from my normal diet.
 

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Thanks for clearing that up. Maybe you can help me with my next question. The oatmeal my mother and wife make are completely different from one another. My wife's oatmeal is more brownish and pasty whereas my mothers is creaming and white. I prefer that kind, how do I make it? Add more milk? Substitute one ingredient over another?

It's likely due to how it is prepared and what your starting with. If you want creamy white oatmeal my slow cooker recipe is hard to beat.
 

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It's likely due to how it is prepared and what your starting with. If you want creamy white oatmeal my slow cooker recipe is hard to beat.

That might be the case. I remember when my mom made it, it usually took awhile. But, when my wife makes it, it's less than 5 minutes.
 

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It's not a big deal, just fucking around a little bit. Oats are all right. I don't eat them now because I really wouldn't enjoy them without somthing to sweeten them, and I've eliminated sugar from my normal diet.

How? I've been trying and have some shitty withdrawals
 

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How? I've been trying and have some shitty withdrawals

I got over that in a day, but then again I haven't had HFCS in well over a year. The grain brain paleo thing took about a week to adjust to altogether though.
 

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so you don't have any processed sugars? That's awesome how much better are you feeling?
 

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so you don't have any processed sugars? That's awesome how much better are you feeling?

Great. Sleep better, wake up more refreshed, never hungry between meals. I don't even use honey, agave or maple syrup except for on special occasions... The one exception i guess is when I brine corned beef or turkey, I'll use brown sugar but i don't feel a difference after consumption...
 

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People get fat because they eat too many calories. You put more energy in than you expend and the body stores that excess energy. Numerous studies show reduction in calories lead to weight loss, and one diet plan is not better than another. Use the one you can stick with. For me it has always been exchange based calorie reduction diets that encourage good choices and limit portion sizes (Weight watchers, 21 day solution are a couple good examples). Others do better on Atkins type diets or Sugar Busters.

Calories in/out is not why people get fat. Anyone can eat 2500 calories of protein, fat, & fibrous veggies and lose weight. People get fat because of poor blood sugar/insulin management. Carbs are what cause blood sugar to spike and insulin is released to lower blood sugar. This in turn(after much science-y stuff) leads to the blood sugar to be stored as glycogen and ultimately turned to fat

This is what the books "Good Calories, Bad Calories" & "Why We Get Fat: And What to Do About It" by Gary Taubes are about. The former is going to be the next book I read and I've already read the latter, and it's fantastic. I highly recommend it
 

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It's a pretty simple concept, but the hardest thing for people to grasp. Excess caloric intake is converted to body fat, regardless of the source; protein, carbohydrates or fats. I've no need to read a faddish diet book I'm very well educated and informed when it comes to diet. Thanks anyway.

If you want to lose weight consume less calories than your body needs to support daily function and activity. Every diet relies on reduction of calories to lose weight, it's just disguised as avoiding certain foods in most cases.

There are numerous studies and reviews of literature to support this.

I'd also add that website is a great place to research any type of fad nutrional supplement, CAM therapy or other bogus medical info you might run across.
 

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BTW all you carb avoiding gluten nazi dieter's realize that gluten is protein found in wheat products and not a carb itself right?
 

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They aren't fad diet books. You should read them before you talk shit about them, you sound like despbro.
 

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Anyway.

Oatmeal. Any more good recipes? I found some natural peanut butter that's sweetened with coconut oil. I can eat that shit by the spoonful and am sure it would liven oatmeal up
 

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Well I certainly consult physicists, aerospace engineers and journalists when I'm looking for sound diet advice. Doesn't everyone?
 

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You are both sort of right.....but Taubes is probably more right.

In order for me to give this a proper treatment I would have to have more than 2/3 mins between emails/calls to create a post, but the crux of the issue is calorie in/calorie out is true....but most of the reason people struggle with managing calorie in is that excessive consumption of carbs (especially quick burning high GI carbs) starts a process in your body governed by insulin that produces, IN SOME PEOPLE, a RAVENOUS hunger response leading almost without fail at massive overeating at some point.

Some of what Taubes said about insulin also managing how the body stores energy is also true, but probably in the case of significantly overweight people or those that have been, it's much more about appetite stimulation.

You can know each and every calorie you've ever taken in and expended, but - and I speak from personal experience- when that insulin spikes and carbsanity is induced, you are going to crack at some point and overeat. When you do, it isn't going to be a 500Kcal splurge. In my case I could go off for 2K Kcals easily, maybe 3,000, but I happen to be a very large man.

The good news is this is totally manageable through diet without resorting to insanely restrictive eating (though insanely retsrictive modes will work for obvious reasons)....gluten has nothing to do with anything, though by restricting gluten many people coincidentally severely limit their intake of simple carbs( and carbs in genera) which explains why gluten diets DO WORK for some people quite dramatically.

Some people don't have this response or it's muted- that's cool, be thankful.

Some of those people still become overweight, mainly as they age and maintain a typical American sedentary diet. For those people calorie in calorie out and some more activity might work like a charm, but please, do not presume to think that is true of other people because it was true for yourself. We simply have a lot of variability in our individual genetic makeup.


I could bench press 300lbs at 16 yrs of age after like 9 months from when I first touched a barbell seriously. I did BFS Special person programing (3x10 once a week) and had no clue wtf I was doing. That is the product of genetics, not hard work/superior training or anything like that.

Likewise, out response to simple carbs can vary a ton too.

I hope that makes some semblance of sense.....probably not, but I gotta beat this traffic...
 

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