Obama announces amnesty for illegals

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funny you should mention our infrastructure....



This is the bridge between Wisconsin and Iowa over the Mississippi near Lansing Iowa. See a problem?



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funny you should mention our infrastructure....



This is the bridge between Wisconsin and Iowa over the Mississippi near Lansing Iowa. See a problem?



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I watched a pretty alarming documentary the other day about the infrastructure of this country. Bridges, roads, dams, etc. That picture doesn't surprise me in the least, and is probably par for the course.
 

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No thanks. Mexico can keep their mess. Close the fucking border and be done with these people. We also need to stop sending so much fucking money to other countries for aid. Especially when our country's infrastructure is crumbling around us, without the money to fix it. I'm so sick of the US being the welfare fund for the rest of the world. In my family, I don't donate shit to others less fortunate then myself, unless my family is ALL taken care of. If I have money to spare it is going to my family or friends before strangers. Why should the country be any different? You get your house in order first, then worry about the neighbors around you.



And with money borrowed, with interest from China.
 

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Well, at the end of the day, it is really all just monopoly money to these people anyways. When the government needs more money, they just print more. Interest, debt, inflation, devaluation, none of this really means shit when it comes down to it. I mean, it's not like China is going to come over here and repossess shit if we don't pay them back. Right? The millions and billions of dollars of debt that was compiled during WWII went where, again? It's all just a game. So much so that I really can't take any of it seriously anymore.



Stock Market anyone? Prices go up because people buy a lot of something, people get scared, and then they sell it. This causes prices to go down. Then, people buy it again, because it's cheap, causing the prices to go back up. All of this bullshit based on the "expert opinions" of a few select people. I mean, what the ****? Pure fucking madness.
 

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This is quite obviously a political stunt. Obama just secured the hispanic vote.

Bingo! You nailed it. Fox News was reporting that Obama's approval rating with Hispanics had dropped by 36% since the 2008 election. With him knowing he's in trouble for 2012 this was purely a political move to increase the Hispanic numbers for him again.
 

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Thats fucking Hilarious. Hows the baby?

Great! He has a great smile and laughs a lot. He turned 4 months, yesterday. Thanks for asking.
 

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That depends. There is some irony in most americans thought processes, that conflict with the ideals behind the founding of our nation.



The American Revolutionaries committed treason against the british crown, the reasons are irrelevant as there are always two sides to the argument, both believing they are right.



The colonists were repeatedly provoked. First the Sugar tax, then with the Quartering Act, then with the Stamp Act and those all came before the Boston Massacre. The colonists petitioned the King and he refused to read the petition. The colonists did not rebel until after those provokations. The basis for the Declaration was to reclaim their natural rights from a King who was going to continue to deprive them and treat them as subservient subjects.
 

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Does your comment mean you believe this country was illegal from its inception, or laws are made to be broken, or ???



I'm sure the Brits thought that what we were doing was illegal.



My comment, however, means that just because something is a law doesn't mean it should be followed. Jim Crow laws for example.
 

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The colonists were repeatedly provoked. First the Sugar tax, then with the Quartering Act, then with the Stamp Act and those all came before the Boston Massacre. The colonists petitioned the King and he refused to read the petition. The colonists did not rebel until after those provokations. The basis for the Declaration was to reclaim their natural rights from a King who was going to continue to deprive them and treat them as subservient subjects.



That part just tickles me....and yes I know things were corrected later....but it still tickles me!
 

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The colonists were repeatedly provoked. First the Sugar tax, then with the Quartering Act, then with the Stamp Act and those all came before the Boston Massacre. The colonists petitioned the King and he refused to read the petition. The colonists did not rebel until after those provokations. The basis for the Declaration was to reclaim their natural rights from a King who was going to continue to deprive them and treat them as subservient subjects.



The British government repealed every new tax BUT the tea tax, the colonies still rebelled. Why were these new taxes imposed to begin with? Because of the french and indian war, when France and its native allies got in a pissing contest with the colonists of course they wanted the crown to come lay down the law....but pay for it? preposterous! Sure citizens on the british mainland had to pay taxes toward the cost, but the colonists? Aw hell they are above that.



Oh and the boston massacre...i can think of alot of people that think that was an atrocity but Kent State was justified, guess what, John Adams one of our founding fathers, defended the british soldiers responsible, and they gave the same damn excuses the kent state guardsmen did. Whats the fucking difference? I dont know either way whether that shit was justified by either party, I wasnt even born yet, but its the same damn situation.



Quit being blinded by nationalism and see history for what it is, not what you want it to be. I love my country because its my country, not because I honestly believe its origin was this universe shattering relevation of good fucking will. For christ sake they said all men are equal all the while continuing slavery. Give me a fucking break and I dont give two shits what anyones excuses are for that decision, its fucking cowardly.



Shit were paying more taxes now than the colonists ever did under the british crown, why arent you manning the **** up and martyring yourself for the cause if they were so justified in their actions.



Oh I know why because now the fat rich americans are the masters now not the subjects.



Buy this book and read it:



http://www.amazon.com/Real-History-American-Revolution-Look/dp/1402740867
 

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I'm sure the Brits thought that what we were doing was illegal.



My comment, however, means that just because something is a law doesn't mean it should be followed. Jim Crow laws for example.





The system isn't perfect - I never thought or said it is. The system is setup to correct itself though and over time it has done a pretty fair job or corecting the wrongs. Dred Scott, Jim Crow, and many others were wrongly decided initially, but were corrected, albeit not immediately, which caused countless people to be killed, or have hardships they should never have been subjected to.
 

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That part just tickles me....and yes I know things were corrected later....but it still tickles me!



And it was the same belief as expressed in the Declaration - that all men are created equal - that was the basis for abolishing slavery. Justice moves too slowly and for many caught in the net of injustice it is a small or no consolation that slavery was abolished. It has taken many years to raise up a generation that are not only tollerent of people different than themselves, but also see the history of racial bigotry as a stain on human history that must never again be allowed to gain ascendency in the social order. Not all racial bigots have been changed - there will always be racists, in all races. But as a society we have changed and that is a hopeful sign that other injustices can be corrected, even if it takes longer than it should.
 

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The British government repealed every new tax BUT the tea tax, the colonies still rebelled. Why were these new taxes imposed to begin with? Because of the french and indian war, when France and its native allies got in a pissing contest with the colonists of course they wanted the crown to come lay down the law....but pay for it? preposterous! Sure citizens on the british mainland had to pay taxes toward the cost, but the colonists? Aw hell they are above that.



Oh and the boston massacre...i can think of alot of people that think that was an atrocity but Kent State was justified, guess what, John Adams one of our founding fathers, defended the british soldiers responsible, and they gave the same damn excuses the kent state guardsmen did. Whats the fucking difference? I dont know either way whether that shit was justified by either party, I wasnt even born yet, but its the same damn situation.



Quit being blinded by nationalism and see history for what it is, not what you want it to be. I love my country because its my country, not because I honestly believe its origin was this universe shattering relevation of good fucking will. For christ sake they said all men are equal all the while continuing slavery. Give me a fucking break and I dont give two shits what anyones excuses are for that decision, its fucking cowardly.



Shit were paying more taxes now than the colonists ever did under the british crown, why arent you manning the **** up and martyring yourself for the cause if they were so justified in their actions.



Oh I know why because now the fat rich americans are the masters now not the subjects.



Buy this book and read it:



http://www.amazon.co...k/dp/1402740867





The Brits then passed the Declaratory Act which basically gave them carte blanche to raise taxes whenever they pleased without colonial representation or means of redress.



The cost of the French & Indian War was certainly a major factor in the Brits trying to recoup the cost of the war from the colonists. But what is also indisputable is that the many of the colonists had no dog in the fight and didn't support the British action, and those colonists who did support the Brits against the French and their Indian allies were doing so because they either made their homes along the western frontier or planned to migrate farther into the Indian territories. The Treaty of Paris, which stated the Indian territories were off limits to the colonists, and which essentially ceased the hostilities (although not literally) was seen as a betrayal by the colonists who had fought with the British and furthered the colonists distrust of their British masters. It is not difficult to understand why both groups of colonists refused to fund the cost of the war. Your ascertion that the French & Indian War was a pissing contest between the France and their Indian allies and the colonists is factually incorrect. The colonists on the western frontier, for the most part, lived among the Indians without hostilities. The pissing match was between the French, who saw the encroachment of British subjects, and the Brits who were enabling their surrogates (the colonists). But, in any case, it had little or nothing to do with colonists living in Boston or New York or Raleigh.



oops - almost forgot this part ... I don't believe the shooting at Kent St. was justified. And if I recall correctly - I think John Adams defended only one of the British soldiers - the captain/commander (don't recall the name or rank - just that he was the guy that supposedly gave the order to shoot). Adams was able to cast enough doubt in the minds of the jury that his client did not give an order to shoot, that he was acquitted. Others British soldiers, that Adams did not represent, were found guilty,
 

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And it was the same belief as expressed in the Declaration - that all men are created equal - that was the basis for abolishing slavery. Justice moves too slowly and for many caught in the net of injustice it is a small or no consolation that slavery was abolished. It has taken many years to raise up a generation that are not only tollerent of people different than themselves, but also see the history of racial bigotry as a stain on human history that must never again be allowed to gain ascendency in the social order. Not all racial bigots have been changed - there will always be racists, in all races. But as a society we have changed and that is a hopeful sign that other injustices can be corrected, even if it takes longer than it should.



This is true, but as long as law does not support bigotry we will be okay! That is the key! Real men will work out their differences!
 

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