ObamaCare and What It Means To You

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Every report I've seen, even from liberal reporters indicates otherwise. Probably a 5-4 defeat or possibly 6-3. The mandate is toast.



Which of these 4 (Bryer, Ginsberg, Sotomayer or Kagen) would be joining the more conservative justices? Kennedy and Roberts, on the other hand, grilled both sides.
 

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Toobin's analysis



With selected quotes from the hearings.



Agree with Toobin in that the government's case was a "trainwreck."



After Rough Day In Court, An Optimistic View For Supporters Of ‘Obamacare'



Here’s some antacid.



Over the first two days of arguments, two of the Court’s five conservative justices have expressed sympathy for key parts of the administration’s arguments. And the administration probably only needs one of their votes to fully uphold the law.



That’s the view of former acting Clinton Solicitor General Walter Dellinger, who sat down with me and a handful of other reporters after watching the arguments. Dellinger tamped down on some initial criticism’s of his successor’s performance before the court. And, crucially, he highlighted an exchange that occurred on Monday — one we broke down here — in which Chief Justice John Roberts appeared to reject the cornerstone of the challenger’s argument.



“Yesterday the Chief Justice said that it doesn’t make much sense to say that the mandate is separate from the penalty or the tax,” Dellinger said. “He seemed yesterday to have accepted the government’s argument that there’s a real choice here. If you don’t want to have health insurance that you can pay the tax penalty.”



http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/03/after-rough-day-in-court-an-optimistic-view-for-supporters-of-obamacare.php
 

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If the Obama admin and the like of Pelosi and Reid had a clue they would reach out to Republicans and try and salvage parts of that bill that most people have no problem with like covering screening exams 100% or extending coverage for young adults in school on their parents policy. But that probably won't happen.
 

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The reason for it is the McCaran Ferguson Act. Great read here http://www.drsforame...oss-state-lines



If they really, really wanted to lower costs (it was never about that as we now see in the PPACA) they could have addressed intrastate insurance, tort reform and foreign import of drugs.



I know there is that act. Didn't know the name or anything. I will give that a read when I have some down time.



I say address one thing at a time of the items you listed above.
 

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Illinois continues to fall farther and farther behind on its overdue bills. And a new report says payments for employee health insurance costs will be delayed by an additional 70 days. The Commission on Government Forecasting and Accountability says a proposed cut to state workers health insurance programs will force the state to drag out payments even further. Illinois is already 218 days late on medical payments, and it's not likely to get any better. "If the state can't pay its regular bills how is it going to pay the bills plus interest, so that is a concern." State Senator Dave Syverson says the Governor's office has promised to pay high interest rates on overdue state employee medical bills. To prevent healthcare providers from cutting off care. But he says that may not be enough to convince a hospital's lender. "How long will the banks allow that kind of practice before they say, you know what, we don't feel confident giving you six months or seven months in advance of the payments." Swedish American Hospital says the state owes it 30 million dollars. And that's not an easy amount to ignore. "Should they continue to withhold payments, in fact they're looking at going a whole year, it could be very difficult for us." DeWane says without that money, the hospital can't invest extra cash. Or make major improvements. "There have been a lot of things that we want to do that we couldn't and really we feel, there are things we should be doing for our population and we just can't." And Syverson says lawmakers will be forced to make unpopular cuts when they build the budget. "Very difficult, adult decision have to be made in Illinois, will they make them, I don't know." Under the current proposed budget, the state has no money to start paying back its nine point five billion dollar backlog of bills.



http://mystateline.com/fulltext-news?nxd_id=330272



That is $9.5 Billion in unpaid bills with no plan on any way to repay them. Just wait folks for Obamacare and see that number in our state alone EXPLODE.
 

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Barney Frank says: Told you not to do it.



You watch, this fall all the Democrats will be saying the same thing.



They will show their true arrogance when they say they did not know what was in the bill.
 

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