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An impossible question to answer without knowing what the other offers are.

I’m not concerned about demand. Half the league needs a new QB and they can’t all “wait till next draft”.
I wrote that if that is the best offer what do you do, take it or select the first pick. It's fine not to answer, of course, but it's not impossible to answer. It's a hypothetical where it's the clear best offer.

I'm glad you're not concerned about demand. But I bet there will be some serious dick ripping and Poles hatred if the Bears make a trade that seems underwhelming compared to what posters are suggesting.
 

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I wrote that if that is the best offer what do you do, take it or select the first pick. It's fine not to answer, of course, but it's not impossible to answer. It's a hypothetical where it's the clear best offer.

I'm glad you're not concerned about demand. But I bet there will be some serious dick ripping and Poles hatred if the Bears make a trade that seems underwhelming compared to what posters are suggesting.

will definitely be dick ripping no matter what happens
 
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I hope so, but we don't really know how teams are going to value these QBs.
I would say more than one of those teams will fall in love with one of those quarterbacks at the combine.
 

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It would have to be a huge haul of draft picks/players for this trade to happen and give up a shot at either Anderson or Carter. For me Brian Burns would have to be part of that trade.
Their 1st this year, two more Top 70 picks this year, AND an extra 1st next year is pretty nice in my opinion.

I hear you though, forgoing a chance at Anderson and Carter would be tough, especially since we're all so mentally geared towards them at this point. It'll be interesting to see how it shakes out, and if Poles/Flus & Co. have some other guys in that 8-12 range that they value enough to possibly pass up Anderson or Carter.
 

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The thing is, Justin doesn't want to get rid of the ball quickly. He wants to throw it down the field, which he is really good at. So, the most logical move would be to build up an OL that allows him to hang out in the pocket longer than everyone else so he can make those plays down the field. You can scheme up some quick throws with screens and such, but this is always the QB he's going to be.

You are not going to force Fields to get rid of the ball in 2.5 seconds on average. And if you do, you are going to seriously limit his effectiveness as a QB by doing that.
 

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The thing is, Justin doesn't want to get rid of the ball quickly. He wants to throw it down the field, which he is really good at. So, the most logical move would be to build up an OL that allows him to hang out in the pocket longer than everyone else so he can make those plays down the field. You can scheme up some quick throws with screens and such, but this is always the QB he's going to be.

You are not going to force Fields to get rid of the ball in 2.5 seconds on average. And if you do, you are going to seriously limit his effectiveness as a QB by doing that.

he has to learn to take quicker options

yes, the deep ball is good. but you cannot live on that only every single play
 

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he has to learn to take quicker options

yes, the deep ball is good. but you cannot live on that only every single play
"Down the field" does not mean deep ball. Deep shots are whatever, he doesn't take any more or less than most. But he wants to throw the ball in that 15-25 yard range, that's where he's deadly. Obviously, he can't do that every play, but that's why I said, you scheme up some quick stuff. The Bears did that a lot last year, because the OL couldn't protect, but there's no reason they have to go away from that with a good line. They also didn't really have much in the way of YAC WRs. Healthy Claypool and Velus with JUGS machine could help a bunch though.

He also had trouble with accuracy on the short stuff, which he 100% has to fix. But if they want him to throw quick slants all day, they got the wrong guy at QB.
 

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I always find comments like "Velus said that he is on the jugs machine almost every day working on his punt return and catching up close and far balls." to be strange. So you are actually trying to get better at your job? You mean, just like every other person on the planet does for way less money. Especially since you sucked at your job and you're new to it. Players act like practicing is a big deal. SMH
 

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I would say more than one of those teams will fall in love with one of those quarterbacks at the combine.
Certainly could happen. But also could think of it as one guy who is 5'11, skinny, and not an elite athlete; one guy who was meh most of the yea; and one guy who is a total project.

So I'd say a good change the Bears get an above market offer, but not a certainty at all.
 

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Doesn't matter if there is no demand, is what I'm saying. The chart is just an idea.

If that's the best offer the Bears get, do you take it or do you select at #1?
That more than likely won’t be the best offer though. There’s a greater chance a team will over pay for the Bears pick.
 

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I hope so, but we don't really know how teams are going to value these QBs.
This can be said about the majority of drafts. Either way there are a good 3-4 teams that desperately need a QB and one of them will overpay to get their guy.
 

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This can be said about the majority of drafts. Either way there are a good 3-4 teams that desperately need a QB and one of them will overpay to get their guy.
Two of those teams are picking in a spot where there is a high chance a top QB will be available anyway.

The others would likely have to pony up a huge payment.

As i mentioned I think its pretty likely the Bears will get a market or overmarket trade, but nowhere near certain.
 

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I wrote that if that is the best offer what do you do, take it or select the first pick. It's fine not to answer, of course, but it's not impossible to answer. It's a hypothetical where it's the clear best offer.

I'm glad you're not concerned about demand. But I bet there will be some serious dick ripping and Poles hatred if the Bears make a trade that seems underwhelming compared to what posters are suggesting.
In your hypothetical trade, I’d rather the Bears get a 2024 1st than a 2023 2nd, so I think there is some wiggle room on the format of a trade if that’s the maximum amount of value Poles can extrapolate. Also, one person’s opinion of a “best offer” can differ from another, but I understand the point you’re trying to make.

Unfortunately, I can’t answer that question yet because FA hasn’t happened and I’m not 100% sold on where Jalen Carter and Will Anderson fall on my board yet.

There is certainly a subset of Bears fans that have unrealistic expectations on what type of return the Bears will get in a trade down. This feels like an overcorrection. My preference is for the Bears to get a 2024 1st, so they can pivot away from Fields (if necessary) OR draft a WR1 (I don’t see any in this draft). I believe that’s a realistic expectation given the history of trades involving top draft picks.
 

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In your hypothetical trade, I’d rather the Bears get a 2024 1st than a 2023 2nd, so I think there is some wiggle room on the format of a trade if that’s the maximum amount of value Poles can extrapolate. Also, one person’s opinion of a “best offer” can differ from another, but I understand the point you’re trying to make.

Unfortunately, I can’t answer that question yet because FA hasn’t happened and I’m not 100% sold on where Jalen Carter and Will Anderson fall on my board yet.

There is certainly a subset of Bears fans that have unrealistic expectations on what type of return the Bears will get in a trade down. This feels like an overcorrection. My preference is for the Bears to get a 2024 1st, so they can pivot away from Fields (if necessary) OR draft a WR1 (I don’t see any in this draft). I believe that’s a realistic expectation given the history of trades involving top draft picks.
I appreciate this answer.

I would add though that's there's a very high probability that the Bears will trade the pick before free agency, as has happened I think just about every time #1 has been traded.
 

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