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Yeah that makes sense. And absolutely rather have Payne at 5 years younger. I'd be tempted to make Payne a top 5 highest paid defensive player. Just pay him whatever it takes to get him in here
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I agree, he's the #1 priority on defense.
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I think it depends on how you look at the trade. On the surface, Claypool the player for the 33rd overall pick is probably not a good trade.
But I think it's bigger than that. You gotta look at the FA class (there's literally nobody as good as Claypool available to sign). You gotta look at the rest of the trade market. You could have maybe held out hope that the Bengals trade Higgins or the Broncos trade Jeudy, but that probably would have taken just as much, if not more. And may not even been a possibility because if those teams could get a late 1 from somebody, that's more than an early 2. And the Bears were never, in any way possible, ever going to trade a top 5 pick for a WR. So, good chance it was Claypool now or nothing in the future. It also gives you draft flexibility. If you didn't get Claypool or couldn't trade for anyone else, you would have had to take a lesser guy in FA and you're probably 100% taking WR in the first, or you risk going into 2023 with again the worst WR corps in the league....which would be inexcusable.
So basically, the trade was an overpay, but probably a necessary one.
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I won't make any judgements until next season, initially I was fine because I thought it was the one from Baltimore. I think OUR 2 is way too much, but w/e. The free agent class is trash, and the draft is never a sure thing but is also thin at WR. I HOPE they do something to upgrade WR though.
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I would too. Almost always have to overpay in FA, which is fine. This team needs proven talent all over. I hope they also get Conklin-overpay or not.
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Champagne no but I said he could improve and he did. I never said the Bears OL was better so I am addressing what I actually said and not what you are pretending I said.
This is where you arguments get inconsistent. You continually say you predictions don't take into account changes like cuts or trades after you made them. The same would be true here. Anyone predicting more wins did not take into account Quan and Quinn being traded.
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The thing is, with this line and limited practice reps, and playbook knowledge, Claypool has no way of really developing trust and rapport with Fields. Fields has limited his big high risk throws which is what Claypool has potential to BEAST with. I think Claypool does EXACTLY what Fields can thrive with, but the other cast members don't even exist to get that rolling. Maybe playing Fields and taking those shots can keep the tank alive AND build that rapport, and all we have to worry about is more bad @Black Rainbow threads for when those plays fail.
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Honestly I think it is more a class thing. Most black NFL players are from the hood. Wilson gives off that bougie vibe which is looked down upon within black culture. You get the sense from Wilson that he would be less comfortable hanging out in the hood than Zach Wilson. He is like Carlton from Fresh Prince when most of the NFL players are Will Smith.
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Yeah, I would have been cool with the Baltimore pick, but if they didn't offer their own, Claypool would be a Packer right now.
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Most black players are from the hood? Says who?
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3 perfect options with the Chicago Bears current draft position
With the way the 2023 NFL Draft is shaping up for the Chicago Bears, they could go one of these three perfect routes with their current position.
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Just sign both so you don't have to worry about not getting Carter or Breese in the draft. Hargrave can probably be had on a short 3 year deal while you can gave Payne 5 years. If you do end up with Carter or Breese then you just end up with a ridiculous rotation inside and can probably think about moving Jones. If not then you have Jones, Payne, Hargrave and Watts rotating and can take a DT later in the draft and bring them along slowly.
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Yikes. This is cringeworthy as hell coming from a white dude.
First of all, the guys mentioned in the post you quoted (Baldwin, Sherman) are both Stanford alums, there is quite the standard to even get in school there. Sure, Sherman is from Compton. But Baldwin went to a HS with less than 1% black, one of the most prestigious high schools in Florida.
Secondly, Wilson is just a weird dude. His social media is awkward as hell. He's like Chris Traeger (if you ever watched Parks and Rec). Just a dude who's always positive, healthy, acts like he has no flaws or skeltons in his closet. I think he just rubs people the wrong way, because he's not super relatable as a person.
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This has been discussed various times in the context of why NFL players were more prone to off field violence than say hockey players. I actually did some research on this years ago when I was working on my PhD that I never completed. Here is one example that I quickly found.
Dr. Mitch Abrams, a New Jersey-based sports psychologist who specializes in violence among athletes, noted that though hockey is also a sport that is fast-paced and encourages hitting, the NHL doesn't deal with criminal issues among their players as frequently because football players (compared to hockey players) are more likely to come "from the inner city where there's a lot of gang involvement, where might makes right and that's the way of life."
According to the 2013 NFL Race and Gender Report Card, two-thirds of NFL players are African-American. Comparatively, only 8% of MLB players are African-American, and only 28 NHL players out of 600+ are African-American. If minority athletes have a greater propensity to come from less privileged socioeconomic backgrounds oft found in inner cities, then this data on the ethnic composition of players across leagues speaks to Dr. Abrams' point.
Breaking Bad: The Economics, Sociology, And Psychology Of Law-Breaking Behavior By NFL Players
"The California Penal League". So quipped Charlie Sheen's Ricky Vaughn from Major League fame when asked what league he came from before reaching the pros. Unfortunately, the NFL these days feels like the NPL...National Penal League. There's Baltimore's Ray Rice striking his then-fiance in the...
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You lost me at assuming I was white. I am black. Sorry.
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Thank you for this thoughtful response.This has been discussed various times in the context of why NFL players were more prone to off field violence than say hockey players. I actually did some research on this years ago when I was working on my PhD that I never completed. Here is one example that I quickly found.
Dr. Mitch Abrams, a New Jersey-based sports psychologist who specializes in violence among athletes, noted that though hockey is also a sport that is fast-paced and encourages hitting, the NHL doesn't deal with criminal issues among their players as frequently because football players (compared to hockey players) are more likely to come "from the inner city where there's a lot of gang involvement, where might makes right and that's the way of life."
According to the 2013 NFL Race and Gender Report Card, two-thirds of NFL players are African-American. Comparatively, only 8% of MLB players are African-American, and only 28 NHL players out of 600+ are African-American. If minority athletes have a greater propensity to come from less privileged socioeconomic backgrounds oft found in inner cities, then this data on the ethnic composition of players across leagues speaks to Dr. Abrams' point.
Breaking Bad: The Economics, Sociology, And Psychology Of Law-Breaking Behavior By NFL Players
"The California Penal League". So quipped Charlie Sheen's Ricky Vaughn from Major League fame when asked what league he came from before reaching the pros. Unfortunately, the NFL these days feels like the NPL...National Penal League. There's Baltimore's Ray Rice striking his then-fiance in the...
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