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[dennehy]

This has been discussed various times in the context of why NFL players were more prone to off field violence than say hockey players. I actually did some research on this years ago when I was working on my PhD that I never completed. Here is one example that I quickly found.

Dr. Mitch Abrams, a New Jersey-based sports psychologist who specializes in violence among athletes, noted that though hockey is also a sport that is fast-paced and encourages hitting, the NHL doesn't deal with criminal issues among their players as frequently because football players (compared to hockey players) are more likely to come "from the inner city where there's a lot of gang involvement, where might makes right and that's the way of life."

According to the 2013 NFL Race and Gender Report Card, two-thirds of NFL players are African-American. Comparatively, only 8% of MLB players are African-American, and only 28 NHL players out of 600+ are African-American. If minority athletes have a greater propensity to come from less privileged socioeconomic backgrounds oft found in inner cities, then this data on the ethnic composition of players across leagues speaks to Dr. Abrams' point.

Breaking Bad: The Economics, Sociology, And Psychology Of Law-Breaking Behavior By NFL Players

"The California Penal League". So quipped Charlie Sheen's Ricky Vaughn from Major League fame when asked what league he came from before reaching the pros. Unfortunately, the NFL these days feels like the NPL...National Penal League. There's Baltimore's Ray Rice striking his then-fiance in the...

www.forbes.com

That has nothing that indicates the majority come from the hood. It says they are more likely to than hockey players, which is not surprising. Less than 20% of African Americans live in poverty, if that is any indication of how many come from the 'hood.

Incidentally I don't think Wilson would do well with hockey players either.

 

[remydat]

That has nothing that indicates the majority come from the hood. It says they are more likely to than hockey players, which is not surprising.

Incidentally I don't think Wilson would do well with hockey players either.

No it also says people from minority backgrounds are more likely to come from poorer backgrounds. Have not seen a recent study on this but back when I was researching this a large percentage of players were from poorer backgrounds. Honestly can't say for sure that it was definitely over 50% but it was pretty close to it if not.

And yes that I don't imagine he fits in with Hockey players as well. That has always been the struggle with respect to those considered black and bougie. Not black enough to fit in with traditional perceptions of blackness and note white enough to fit in with white folk whose socio-economic backgrounds are similar. Also speaking from personal experience. When I first came to the US, I used to have black people asking why I talking white and white people saying dumb shit like I speak well for a black guy.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

No it also says people from minority backgrounds are more likely to come from poorer backgrounds. Have not seen a recent study on this but back when I was researching this a large percentage of players were from poorer backgrounds. Honestly can't say for show that is was definitely over 50% but it was pretty close to it if not. In any event, probably beyond the parameters of this thread but there has always been this tension within black culture as I am also speaking from my own experiences with this.

Okay racist. I think white people don't like Wilson either.

 

[remydat]

Okay racist. I think white people don't like Wilson either.

Perhaps read the rest of the posts.

 

[dennehy]

No it also says people from minority backgrounds are more likely to come from poorer backgrounds. Have not seen a recent study on this but back when I was researching this a large percentage of players were from poorer backgrounds. Honestly can't say for show that is was definitely over 50% but it was pretty close to it if not. In any event, probably beyond the parameters of this thread but there has always been this tension within black culture as I am also speaking from my own experiences with this.

I know that African Americans are more likely to be economically disadvantaged. But it's 20% poverty, nothing close to 50%. Not sure how all these guys are coming from the hood, unless you're saying that hood is something characterized by being black, or more like a state of mind, more so than by being poor.

I understand that cultural tension, I agree it's a big factor.

 

[DrGonzo]

I remember in Seattle, the players would always beat around the bush about Russell Wilson. Doug Baldwin, Richard Sherman and others would make comments about Russell being a cancer of sorts. I wonder how bad his attitude/ego is. He has fallen off a cliff in Denver

I kind of imagine him blasting Christian rock in the locker room. That would alienate anyone.

 

[remydat]

I know that African Americans are more likely to be economically disadvantaged. But it's 20% poverty, nothing close to 50%. Not sure how all these guys are coming from the hood, unless you're saying that hood is something characterized by being black, or more like a state of mind, more so than by being poor.

I understand that cultural tension, I agree it's a big factor.

Black and white children are born into very different economic circumstances. Almost half of black boys and girls are in households in the bottom fifth of the income distribution, compared to just over one in ten white children:

The inheritance of black poverty: It's all about the men

Scott Winship, Richard Reeves, and Katherine Guyot find that closing the race gaps in upward mobility will require wholesale shifts in economic outcomes, perhaps above all for men’s earnings.

www.brookings.edu

The reference to hood was moreso flippant as not all poor people live in the hood but see above. Note the almost half is looking at the bottom quintile. It is more than half if you are looking at the bottom 2 quintiles. Again when I was looking at this the NFL was more attractive to people from lower incomes because they had less mobility outside the worlds of sports and entertainment. That lack of mobility is also referenced above.

In any event, we are probably straying from the parameters of this thread so will end there. Happy to discuss further in another forum if there is interest.

 

[HeHateMe]

No it also says people from minority backgrounds are more likely to come from poorer backgrounds. Have not seen a recent study on this but back when I was researching this a large percentage of players were from poorer backgrounds. Honestly can't say for sure that it was definitely over 50% but it was pretty close to it if not.

And yes that I don't imagine he fits in with Hockey players as well. That has always been the struggle with respect to those considered black and bougie. Not black enough to fit in with traditional perceptions of blackness and note white enough to fit in with white folk whose socio-economic backgrounds are similar. Also speaking from personal experience. When I first came to the US, I used to have black people asking why I talking white and white people saying dumb shit like I speak well for a black guy.

I thought you were from Barbados?

 

[remydat]

I thought you were from Barbados?

Bahamas. Came to US for college and then worked over there for a number of years as well as in Europe and Asia.

 

[HeHateMe]

Bahamas.

OT and just curious, do you leverage any sort of patois?

 

[remydat]

OT and just curious, do you leverage any sort of patois?

We have a dialect but it is just broken English. Not as extreme as say Jamaican Patois.

 

[BBBF]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1597994562626244611

Are we not going to talk about kangarooing the play sheet?

 

[HeHateMe]

We have a dialect but it is just broken English. Not as extreme as say Jamaican Patois.

when yt bois tell you you speak very eloquently do you send fi the hacksaw, take out the tongue?

 

[sevvy]

You lost me at assuming I was white. I am black. Sorry.

He thought you were a cajun dude that threw charged up playing cards at people.

 

[rawdawg]

You lost me at assuming I was white. I am black. Sorry.

Yeah, it's not an assumption as much as a very educated guess. I know me and my black friends do often talk about how we're "from the hood" like Will Smith and not bougie like Carlton. Very popular topic in the black community.

 

[bamainatlanta]

Did not mean for this to thread to get off-track. Sorry everyone!

 

[Bears_Almighty]

We have a dialect but it is just broken English. Not as extreme as say Jamaican Patois.

I'm from the USVI and moved to the mainland as a teen. Big ups brethren

 

[HeHateMe]

I'm from the USVI and moved to the mainland as a teen. Big ups brethren

Mi fifty caliber weh fly though vest, and boar di two face
Grenade BOOM BAM! dem look like toothpaste
When mi buss this tell fish nuh move king
Him must fi have bumboclaat bulletproof skin

 

[ThatGuyRyan]

Bahamas. Came to US for college and then worked over there for a number of years as well as in Europe and Asia.

China?

Cc @greg23

 

[remydat]

China?

Cc @greg23

Lived in Japan for a year and a half. Had a few clients in Hong Kong and on the Mainland so popped in on them but never lived there for an extended period of time.