***OFFICAL*** Bears GM/Coaching Search News Thread

[remydat]

This is NOT a knock on BL, he's a fine coaching talent, and although he's not my first choice, I would have no problem with him as Bears HC.

That being said, It's an absurd notion that Tom Brady was developed by Byron Leftwitch. He was fully formed when he arrived at Tampa Bay, already an unquestioned first ballot Hall of Fame inductee. The Bucs were looking like a joke with Brady until the QB asserted himself. The pieces of offense, that were combined with BL's--and put Tampa Bay over the top--were from Brady and his years at NE.

Tom Brady developed Byron Leftwitch, whose offense now features plays and concepts he learned from arguably the greatest QB that's ever played the game. Tom Brady, sure, probably learned a thing or two from BL.

Brady clearly improved under the Bucs. He hadn't come close to leading the league in 20+ yard completions since 2017. He has finished first the past 2 years in Leftwich's vertical offense.

But offensive coordinator Byron Leftwich insists there wasn’t much different about Bruce Arians’ “no risk it, no biscuit” attack during the eight-game win streak that culminated in a 31-9 win over Kansas City in Super Bowl 55.

“We’re doing the same stuff,” Leftwich said Tuesday. “I know there’s this big talk about everything. The offense is based on the quarterback. That’s what I believe in in coaching. It’s always been that way. I told you guys it took us time. We didn’t have an opportunity to practice (during the pandemic shutdown) so we were trying to figure things out on Sunday.

“But we’re not doing all this motion stuff, I don’t know where you get all that from. We put our quarterback in the best position to have success all the time and that’s how we’ve always looked at it. Week 1 last year. Did we do a better job? We may have as we learned each other, me and Tom ... I did a better job of putting him in position. But we didn’t go and start doing all this different stuff.”

“We really honed in on what we were as a team after the bye and we tried to do that thing,” Leftwich said. “But it’s the same concept, the same plays we’d been calling.”

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[TL1961]

Lol, the Bills run the ball only 30% of the time with RBs. They pass 59% of the time and they run with Allen 11% of the time. Daboll isn't any less allergic to running.

You know what I want the offense to do? SCORE.

The run / pass splits don't matter as long as you're scoring.

 

[remydat]

Caldwell? A fine coach, but how can this not be screaming John Fox redeaux? Fox had plenty of bona fides...took two teams to the SB. No, no, no and no. Lets hire someone who might potentially settle in ala John Harbaugh, Pete Carrol and Mike Tomlin.

Fox rebuilt the D with Fangio and if Pace had listened to Fox and drafted Watson, the Bears would have been a contender. Fox was undone by a shitty offensive roster handed to him by Pace where his best WR ie Kendall Wright was out of the league the following year and where he had a mental midget at QB.

Having said that, Trubisky would have been better off if Fox had remained as coach as Fox was realistic about how much that pea brain Trubisky could handle. The Bears are we they are precisely because they did not stay the course with Fox and opted for the shiny offensive genius. A ball control O with Trubisky running play action would have been much better than the shit Nagy put together. Nagy basically rode Fox and Fangio's D to credibility.

 

[remydat]

You know what I want the offense to do? SCORE.

The run / pass splits don't matter as long as you're scoring.

UM WCBF brought up the lack of running. I was pointing out his boy doesn't run much either. The fact is the Bucs and Bills score points.

 

[TL1961]

Brady clearly improved under the Bucs. He hadn't come close to leading the league in 20+ yard completions since 2017. He has finished first the past 2 years in Leftwich's vertical offense.

But offensive coordinator Byron Leftwich insists there wasn’t much different about Bruce Arians’ “no risk it, no biscuit” attack during the eight-game win streak that culminated in a 31-9 win over Kansas City in Super Bowl 55.

“We’re doing the same stuff,” Leftwich said Tuesday. “I know there’s this big talk about everything. The offense is based on the quarterback. That’s what I believe in in coaching. It’s always been that way. I told you guys it took us time. We didn’t have an opportunity to practice (during the pandemic shutdown) so we were trying to figure things out on Sunday.

“But we’re not doing all this motion stuff, I don’t know where you get all that from. We put our quarterback in the best position to have success all the time and that’s how we’ve always looked at it. Week 1 last year. Did we do a better job? We may have as we learned each other, me and Tom ... I did a better job of putting him in position. But we didn’t go and start doing all this different stuff.”

“We really honed in on what we were as a team after the bye and we tried to do that thing,” Leftwich said. “But it’s the same concept, the same plays we’d been calling.”

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You are literally three dozen posts into trying to convince us Brady wasn't good in NE, and reviced his career due only to Leftwich. Please stop or just go start a Leftwich thread. Good Christ, this is borderline psychotic at this point.

 

[TL1961]

Fox rebuilt the D with Fangio and if Pace had listened to Fox and drafted Watson, the Bears would have been a contender. Fox was undone by a shitty offensive roster handed to him by Pace where his best WR ie Kendall Wright was out of the league the following year and where he had a mental midget at QB.

Having said that, Trubisky would have been better off if Fox had remained as coach as Fox was realistic about how much that pea brain Trubisky could handle. The Bears are we they are precisely because they did not stay the course with Fox and opted for the shiny offensive genius. A ball control O with Trubisky running play action would have been much better than the shit Nagy put together. Nagy basically rode Fox and Fangio's D to credibility.

The roster Fox was handed was handed by the previous GM. He and Pace arrived together. Pace didn't send good offensive players away.

 

[remydat]

You are literally three dozen posts into trying to convince us Brady wasn't good in NE, and reviced his career due only to Leftwich. Please stop or just go start a Leftwich thread. Good Christ, this is borderline psychotic at this point.

I responded on topic to a post made at 12:59pm today. If people continue to wish to talk about this I will respond. Your whining contributes nothing to the thread so perhaps you should STFU or go tell the people still posting about this like Stelz to STFU. Thanks in advance.

 

[pdxbearsfan]

If Daboll is the guy, then it makes the most sense to pick Schoen as GM right? I know it’s the Bears but hell, this isn’t that hard to connect the dots.

I like Schoen and am okay with Daboll.

 

[pdxbearsfan]

I’m not interested in another OC who looks good thanks to a superstar QB

I've read a number of articles about all the work/changes he and Dorsey made with Allen who in his 1st couple of years was pretty erratic.

 

[RumourBoy]

Brady clearly improved under the Bucs. He hadn't come close to leading the league in 20+ yard completions since 2017. He has finished first the past 2 years in Leftwich's vertical offense.

But offensive coordinator Byron Leftwich insists there wasn’t much different about Bruce Arians’ “no risk it, no biscuit” attack during the eight-game win streak that culminated in a 31-9 win over Kansas City in Super Bowl 55.

“We’re doing the same stuff,” Leftwich said Tuesday. “I know there’s this big talk about everything. The offense is based on the quarterback. That’s what I believe in in coaching. It’s always been that way. I told you guys it took us time. We didn’t have an opportunity to practice (during the pandemic shutdown) so we were trying to figure things out on Sunday.

“But we’re not doing all this motion stuff, I don’t know where you get all that from. We put our quarterback in the best position to have success all the time and that’s how we’ve always looked at it. Week 1 last year. Did we do a better job? We may have as we learned each other, me and Tom ... I did a better job of putting him in position. But we didn’t go and start doing all this different stuff.”

“We really honed in on what we were as a team after the bye and we tried to do that thing,” Leftwich said. “But it’s the same concept, the same plays we’d been calling.”

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Not knocking Leftwich cause he's done a fine job but the Bucs are about as stacked on offfense as any of the Brady's team's in NE and we saw how he performed when he had the talent around him.

2007*+	30	NWE	QB	12	16	16	16-0-0	398	578	68.9	4806	50	8.7	8	1.4	240	69	8.3	9.4	12.1	300.4	117.2	87.0	21	128	3.5	7.81	8.88	4	4	23

 

[remydat]

The roster Fox was handed was handed by the previous GM. He and Pace arrived together. Pace didn't send good offensive players away.

Umm no. The Bears O was actually good in 2014 before Pace and Fox. It was Pace that fucked it all up as he got rid of guys like Marshall and Bennett and replaced them with Kevin White and Dion Simms. The offensive roster Pace put together the 3 years Fox was there was trash. That is the point.

If we had kept Fox, drafted Watson like Fox wanted and still signed ARob then the Bears would have been a SB contender. If we had kept Fox, drafted Trubisky and still signed ARob then the Bears would be a playoff team with an O that was suited to Trubisky's strengths ie focus on run game and heavy play action.

 

[pdxbearsfan]

There are a number of Bears fans who literally can't stop calling the Bears cheap, even though they aren't and that is not their problem.

They're incompetent, yes. Cheap? Not really. That was true of Halas 60 years ago and some keep falling back on that, but it hasn't been true of late.

Agreed just incompetent.

 

[pdxbearsfan]

so are we going crazy over the Leftwich offense too or nah?

Not me it's all Brady.

 

[pdxbearsfan]

McCarthy is going to get canned and Moore will be the HC in Dallas.

Agreed.

 

[remydat]

Not knocking Leftwich cause he's done a fine job but the Bucs are about as stacked on offfense as any of the Brady's team's in NE and we saw how he performed when he had the talent around him.

2007*+	30	NWE	QB	12	16	16	16-0-0	398	578	68.9	4806	50	8.7	8	1.4	240	69	8.3	9.4	12.1	300.4	117.2	87.0	21	128	3.5	7.81	8.88	4	4	23

Already discussed this. Moss is a much better version of Evans and Welker is a much better version of Godwin. Further, Brady was 30 back then not 44. Brady getting Evans and Godwin is no difference than Allen getting Diggs and Beasley. My point has always been you can't just pretend it is solely on the OC that a QB develops. So I agree 100% that the talent around them matters.

Daboll did not build Allen into what he is 100%. Allen was clearly one of the most talented QBs in the draft and he exploded due in part to Daboll and due in part to finally have really WRs in Diggs and Beasley. His improvement was not simply a function of the OC. You can't get to the numbers Allen has if Zay Jones is your top WR.

 

[TL1961]

I responded on topic to a post made at 12:59pm today. If people continue to wish to talk about this I will respond. Your whining contributes nothing to the thread so perhaps you should STFU or go tell the people still posting about this like Stelz to STFU. Thanks in advance.

You have literally posted 50 fucking times about Brady ald Leftwich in a thread about the BEARS. Give it rest. You want Leftwich, fine. This thread is not a Tom Brady thread.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

You have literally posted 50 fucking times about Brady ald Leftwich in a thread about the BEARS. Give it rest. You want Leftwich, fine. This thread is not a Tom Brady thread.

You aren't helping

 

[RumourBoy]

Already discussed this. Moss is a much better version of Evans and Welker is a much better version of Godwin. Further, Brady was 30 back then not 44.

	Games	Receiving	Rushing	Total Yds
Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	1D	Lng	R/G	Y/G	Ctch%	Y/Tgt	Rush	Yds	TD	1D	Lng	Y/A	Y/G	A/G	Touch	Y/Tch	YScm	RRTD	Fmb	AV
2014	21	TAM	WR	13	15	15	122	68	1051	15.5	12	46	56	4.5	70.1	55.7%	8.6									68	15.5	1051	12	0	8
2015	22	TAM	WR	13	15	14	148	74	1206	16.3	3	63	68	4.9	80.4	50.0%	8.1									74	16.3	1206	3	1	10
2016*	23	TAM	WR	13	16	16	173	96	1321	13.8	12	82	45	6.0	82.6	55.5%	7.6									96	13.8	1321	12	0	10
2017	24	TAM	WR	13	15	15	136	71	1001	14.1	5	55	42	4.7	66.7	52.2%	7.4									71	14.1	1001	5	1	8
2018*	25	TAM	WR	13	16	16	138	86	1524	17.7	8	68	72	5.4	95.3	62.3%	11.0									86	17.7	1524	8	2	11
2019*	26	TAM	WR	13	13	13	118	67	1157	17.3	8	54	67	5.2	89.0	56.8%	9.8									67	17.3	1157	8	0	9
2020	27	TAM	WR	13	16	16	109	70	1006	14.4	13	55	50	4.4	62.9	64.2%	9.2									70	14.4	1006	13	0	9
2021	28	TAM	WR	13	16	16	114	74	1035	14.0	14	56	46	4.6	64.7	64.9%	9.1	1	10	0	1	10	10.0	0.6	0.1	75	13.9	1045	14	0	9
Career				122	121	1058	606	9301	15.3	75	479	72	5.0	76.2	57.3%	8.8	1	10	0	1	10	10.0	0.1	0.0	607	15.3	9311	75	4	74

Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	Tgt	Rec	Yds	Y/R	TD	1D	Lng	R/G	Y/G	Ctch%	Y/Tgt	Rush	Yds	TD	1D	Lng	Y/A	Y/G	A/G	Touch	Y/Tch	YScm	RRTD	Fmb	AV
1998*+	21	MIN	WR	84	16	11	124	69	1313	19.0	17	51	61	4.3	82.1	55.6%	10.6	1	4	0	0	4	4.0	0.3	0.1	70	18.8	1317	17	2	18
1999*	22	MIN	WR	84	16	16	137	80	1413	17.7	11	53	67	5.0	88.3	58.4%	10.3	4	43	0	3	15	10.8	2.7	0.3	84	17.3	1456	11	3	15
2000*+	23	MIN	WR	84	16	16	129	77	1437	18.7	15	57	78	4.8	89.8	59.7%	11.1	3	5	0	0	9	1.7	0.3	0.2	80	18.0	1442	15	2	17
2001	24	MIN	WR	84	16	16	154	82	1233	15.0	10	59	73	5.1	77.1	53.2%	8.0	3	38	0	2	18	12.7	2.4	0.2	85	15.0	1271	10	0	11
2002*	25	MIN	WR	84	16	16	185	106	1347	12.7	7	67	60	6.6	84.2	57.3%	7.3	6	51	0	3	25	8.5	3.2	0.4	112	12.5	1398	7	1	13
2003*+	26	MIN	WR	84	16	16	172	111	1632	14.7	17	77	72	6.9	102.0	64.5%	9.5	6	18	0	1	11	3.0	1.1	0.4	117	14.1	1650	17	1	18
2004	27	MIN	WR	84	13	13	86	49	767	15.7	13	43	82	3.8	59.0	57.0%	8.9									49	15.7	767	13	1	8
2005	28	OAK	WR	18	16	15	123	60	1005	16.8	8	46	79	3.8	62.8	48.8%	8.2									60	16.8	1005	8	0

I agree with Welker, but not on Moss. Evans got less targets and less TD's but he also didn't have Dante Culpepper chucking go routes to him half the game.

 

[Szlachcic]

OK. Kids I thought this was

***OFFICAL*** Bears GM/Coaching Search News Thread​

Can't you keep garbage out of here? Please!

 

[remydat]

You have literally posted 50 fucking times about Brady ald Leftwich in a thread about the BEARS. Give it rest. You want Leftwich, fine. This thread is not a Tom Brady thread.

I don't necessarily want Leftwich.

And I’m asking who’s available that’s had success with multiple QBs? You can only work with what’s available to you. I didn’t misunderstand anything.

Leftwich, Hackett for example. Also coaches like Frazier and Bowles have had success with multiple teams albeit on D.

I gave examples of two O coaches that had some measure of success with multiple QBs and 2 DCs that had some measure of success with multiple teams. Leftwich was never the focus. It became the focus because WCBF got butt hurt and harped on my bringing up Leftwich.

So are we going to go back and forth on this or are you going to take your own advice regarding running on with dumb shit.