Official 2011-12 Around The NBA Thread(News/Rumors/Game Discussion)

[houheffna]

WoW, what an amazing shot by Harris to win the game! Lebron proving once again why he will NEVER be considered the GOAT.

I thought no player, according to you, could be the greatest ever because of the hand-check rule?

Take a look at it again & ask yourself "Would MJ pass that ball? or Bird? or Kobe? or even Wade?"

Lebron dismantled the Jazz defense in the 4th with incredible ease, & had previously hit 2 ridiculous shots to give the Heat a 4 point lead late. Why in the world are you passing that ball to a teammate who's taken 2 shots all quarter? For all this talk of "Lebron is determined" "Lebron is playing hungry" Where is that hunger and determination when the game is on the line?

Jordan would pass the ball out of double teams...all the time!

Are you not the guy who called Kobe a ball hog that hurts his team by taking ill advised shots?

The question is, if Haslem is not able to hit that shot, why is he in the game, on the perimeter, open for the shot? Shouldn't he be under the basket? Shouldn't they have someone out there who can hit a jumpshot in that situation? Haslem has hit that shot time and time again in his career.

 

[thechosenone]

Jordan would pass the ball no doubt.I don't know for the rest players you mention but MJ would pass for sure in an open great shooter and not in Haslem.This is what separates Jordan from everyone.He wouldn't make a terrible selection if he had a good open shooter to pass.

It was the right play for Lebron but Haslem wasn't the right guy.They should have set this offense with a better shooter or LeBron could have tried to drop a foul.They should have thrown better shooters in the game.Haslem wasn't useful in the last possession.OK he can make that shot in the game but it is different to have the ball in your hands 1 second before the game ends.

Great performance last night for LeBron no doubt but not the best offense in the last possession.He is unlucky that with a performance like this his team lost the game.His contender for the MVP award had a similar performance last night and his team left with a W from Orlando.

 

[houheffna]

Jordan would pass the ball no doubt.I don't know for the rest players you mention but MJ would pass for sure in an open great shooter and not in Haslem.This is what separates Jordan from everyone.He wouldn't make a terrible selection if he had a good open shooter to pass.

It was the right play for Lebron but Haslem wasn't the right guy.They should have set this offense with a better shooter or LeBron could have tried to drop a foul.They should have thrown better shooters in the game.Haslem wasn't useful in the last possession.OK he can make that shot in the game but it is different to have the ball in your hands 1 second before the game ends.

Great performance last night for LeBron no doubt but not the best offense in the last possession.He is unlucky that with a performance like this his team lost the game.His contender for the MVP award had a similar performance last night and his team left with a W from Orlando.

Those guys have to hit those shots or they should be on the bench. I remember last year Lebron passed the ball in a similar situation to Eddie House, who was wide open at the 3pt line and is a very good shooter from that range. House misses, Lebron gets blamed.

I have no problem blaming Lebron for his finals performance. THAT was a choke job, because he mentally shut down. Totally different situation from what Lebron did last night.

 

[thechosenone]

Those guys have to hit those shots?Who?Haslem?They had Wade,Battier,Chalmers and Miller.With 3 seconds remaining wtf did Haslem do in the court?He was there to grab the rebound when the game has ended?You have enough time for two passes max and a shot.You throw all your shooters in the game and hope that someone will be open.With Haslem in the game it was very easy for Utah to make the selection.

 

[bbaker]

Lebron made the right play there. He could've drove the lane, but that pass was a more "high % play" (I also think Lebron lost count of the clock in his head). Also, why isn't D-Wade getting blamed? He misses the FT to put them up 3 (99-96). He also fouls Harris on that And1. LET HARRIS SHOOT THE FLOATER.

Wade cost them that game. Not Lebron. If it wasn't for Lebron in the 4th, they wouldn't of even been in that game.

 

[bbaker]

Also, Lamar Odom no longer playing game in D-League tonight. He is reporting immediately to the Mavs instead.

 

[thechosenone]

Lebron made the right play there. He could've drove the lane, but that pass was a more "high % play" (I also think Lebron lost count of the clock in his head). Also, why isn't D-Wade getting blamed? He misses the FT to put them up 3 (99-96). He also fouls Harris on that And1. LET HARRIS SHOOT THE FLOATER.

Wade cost them that game. Not Lebron. If it wasn't for Lebron in the 4th, they wouldn't of even been in that game.

Wade also fouled Harris in a 3pt effort and send him for 3 free throws to tie the game.But these are the privileges of having LeBron in your team.They will blame him for everything.You won't lose value points no matter how slower you have become and how stupid you react in many situations.And of course noone will blame you if you take the last shot and miss it.There are people in this forum too who believe Wade is still better and more clutch than Rose.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Last night was a million times more about Erik Spoelstra being a MASSIVE IDIOT than James choking/overly defering in game-deciding situations.

Haslem should not have been on the court. Wade was not even involved in the play at all. The best option would have been to throw the ball to Wade with LeBron as a screener or vice versa. There would have been at least 3-4 guys trying to defend that. THEN, either Battier, Jones, or Chalmers would have been WIDE open.

 

[Axl Rose]

it was no worse then rose passin to scal

 

[thechosenone]

^^True.

 

[thechosenone]

Plz Atlanta beat the Thunder.I am tired of watching them winning games in the last 2 minutes.

 

[thechosenone]

Bulls #1 in the league!

 

[Diddy1122]

I'm no LBJ fan but anyone criticizing him for passing is crazy. If Haslems shot drops, no one is talking about this. And let's not get it twisted, that is Haslems shot and if you disagree, you're either lying or really haven't paid attention.

I'm all for Bron bashing but this isn't the time. Dude killed the 4th qtr and found an open teammate for a shot he's made his whole career.

Sorry I disagree 100%. Good shot for Haslem or not, Lebron destroyed the Jazz in the 4th & was the main reason it was even a game at the end. A true closer & cold blooded assassin would not give that ball up in that situation. You think Durant would be passing that after he just hit 4 shots in a row?

People talk about Lebron having that killer instinct this year, I just don't see it. At times he seems to be 100% in attack mode, then at other times he disappears for 5 minute stretches. He even did it in last night's game. I really don't see a change from last season to this. If he wants that moniker of cold blooded assassin, then he's going to have to step-up in the clutch. Win or lose, you live with the shot you take. Lebron seems so afraid of failing or looking bad that he avoids it at almost every opportunity. The best player in the league should not be backing down in those situations. He should be rising above.

 

[thechosenone]

Who talks about Lebron having a killer instinct this year?lol

One great season yes.One mature season yes.But killer instinct?Lmao.

 

[Diddy1122]

I thought no player, according to you, could be the greatest ever because of the hand-check rule?

A good ole Hou, putting words in people's mouths to try & make himself look smarter.

Jordan would pass the ball out of double teams...all the time!

Sure he did, but rarely with the game on the line & when he did he got it to a SHOOTER.

Are you not the guy who called Kobe a ball hog that hurts his team by taking ill advised shots?

No clue what you're talking about there. But doesn't surprise me that you would attribute something someone else said that sounded stupid to try & bolster your argument.

The question is, if Haslem is not able to hit that shot, why is he in the game, on the perimeter, open for the shot? Shouldn't he be under the basket? Shouldn't they have someone out there who can hit a jumpshot in that situation? Haslem has hit that shot time and time again in his career.

Personally, if I am Spo, Haslem is not even on the floor in that situation. Doesn't matter to me that he's made that shot his whole career. You have 1 shot at this, you put your best shooters on the floor. Where was James Jones on that play?

 

[thechosenone]

Sure he did, but rarely with the game on the line

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2BlOTeoZVE]Steve Kerr - NBA Finals 1997, Game 6's Final Shot - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Diddy1122]

Who talks about Lebron having a killer instinct this year?lol

One great season yes.One mature season yes.But killer instinct?Lmao.

Ok maybe not killer instinct but everyone is yobbin' his knob about his increased determination & desire to win this year. Where is this? Is his year statistically beter? Sure it is, but he still checks out of games for stretches like he always has. That doesn't show determination to me. You want to see pure determination & desire to win, look no further than our humble, hard working superstar, who's not afraid to take the big shot with the game on the line & live with the good & the bad.

Last season, after Lerbon made the "decision", it was pretty evident to me that this guy was going to Miami not just because he wanted an easy road to a ring, but he didn't want to have to carry all the responsibility of being a true team leader. It's quite sad really since he's the best player in the league.

 

[Diddy1122]

Steve Kerr - NBA Finals 1997, Game 6's Final Shot - YouTube

Yea I said rarely. And difference there, is Kerr was 1 of the best spot up shooters in the game.

 

[thechosenone]

Of course he is different this year.I believe he is more mature and ready to win than ever.I don't believe he will and I agree with your last paragraph but man he is a beast this year and he steps up in every game.Last year he was Wade's Catwoman.This year he is a team on his own.

 

[houheffna]

A good ole Hou, putting words in people's mouths to try & make himself look smarter.

Sure he did, but rarely with the game on the line & when he did he got it to a SHOOTER.

No clue what you're talking about there. But doesn't surprise me that you would attribute something someone else said that sounded stupid to try & bolster your argument.

Personally, if I am Spo, Haslem is not even on the floor in that situation. Doesn't matter to me that he's made that shot his whole career. You have 1 shot at this, you put your best shooters on the floor. Where was James Jones on that play?

So you say, Haslem shouldn't be out there shooting open 16 foot shots, even though he has a history of shooting and making 16 foot shots,but bring out James Jones, who has turned into their Scalabrine...okay, if you say so.

Good Ol' Diddy, saying something you shouldn't have said, and not owning up to it.

"3 words why Lebron or Wade or Kobe will never, ever be considered better than MJ: Hand-Check Rule."

Your words...didn't have to put that in your mouth, you did it yourself

"And a reason they aren't playing well is because of Kobe. His constant ball-hogging is hurting his team's play. Gasol & Bynum are ignored all the time by him on the offensive end. It all was on display last night agains the Thunder. "

Once again, your words. IN THIS THREAD!!!Honestly, I don't have time to make up things and attribute them to you. Those are your words. Just try to write, think and be consistent. That is all I am asking