Official NFL Draft Thread - Bear Fans Only - and No Montucky!

[DefNextYear]

I’d be pretty surprised if he’s even available at 25. He’s arguably the best LT in the draft.

Yea, he looks good with everything I watch. In such a weak OT draft, I'm surprised he doesn't get more hype. He looked pretty damn good against the soon-to-be top 3 pick.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1909664263679205645

 

[Enasic]

Yea, he looks good with everything I watch. In such a weak OT draft, I'm surprised he doesn't get more hype. He looked pretty damn good against the soon-to-be top 3 pick.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1909664263679205645

Funny because people will point out that one rep against green at the senior bowl but ignore his play against Carter in an actual game.

The talking heads and TV “experts” hype up players based on what their sources tell them…and oftentimes those sources are giving them misinformation and falsely talking up one prospect, while downplaying another.

Regarding OTs in this draft, it would not surprise me at all if conerly and/or banks go ahead of will Campbell who is getting most of the pre-draft shine despite being the definition of an outlier for NFL OTs.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1909579877214208346

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1909620803554951459

I’ve stated this before, but nice to see some data behind it. If you want good tackles, they need to be taken early. Obviously, there's also a big financial advantage to the rookie contract on tackles too.

Thanks. This is what I have been saying. The tackles will go quickly because there aren’t many and everyone needs them

 

[DefNextYear]

Funny because people will point out that one rep against green at the senior bowl but ignore his play against Carter in an actual game.

The talking heads and TV “experts” hype up players based on what their sources tell them…and oftentimes those sources are giving them misinformation and falsely talking up one prospect, while downplaying another.

Regarding OTs in this draft, it would not surprise me at all if conerly and/or banks go ahead of will Campbell who is getting most of the pre-draft shine despite being the definition of an outlier for NFL OTs.

The Will Campbell part is really hard for me to figure out. I guess we'll see. I'm genuinely interested to see if people do let him drop due to the measurables. You see people all the time put emphasis on the tape, but then we also know those measurables end up making a huge impact as well.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

The Will Campbell part is really hard for me to figure out. I guess we'll see. I'm genuinely interested to see if people do let him drop due to the measurables. You see people all the time put emphasis on the tape, but then we also know those measurables end up making a huge impact as well.

Same. Most interesting player at the top of draft to me.

 

[Enasic]

The Will Campbell part is really hard for me to figure out. I guess we'll see. I'm genuinely interested to see if people do let him drop due to the measurables. You see people all the time put emphasis on the tape, but then we also know those measurables end up making a huge impact as well.

If you’re a scout, would you put your reputation on the line vouching for a guy with 33 inch arms and a 77 inch wingspan when the facts are

1. There are zero current OTs in the NFL with those measurements
2. There has never been a pro bowl LT with those measurements

Beyond that, I think his on field play has been really overrated. Think it’s more good than great, but those measurements are just a killer. He should fall, but teams do dumb shit all the time.

 

[playthrough2001]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1909620176141635675

This is definitely a dude I'd like to end up with. I hear he can go as high as the 2nd, but would be amazing if he fell to the 3rd. Groom him under Thuney for a seamless transition in a couple years.

I love this. Keep building the lines. This guy looks like he could be an amazing NFL guard.

 

[oso4lyf]

Definitely one of the worst I’ve seen. Stewart at 10 would be dog shit

Stewart is going to get a people fired

 

[bears51/40]

I’d be pretty surprised if he’s even available at 25. He’s arguably the best LT in the draft.

This one I can't disagree with you on. Also know Poles has scouted him personally over the last two years. Think he was projected as a 3rd round pick in last year's draft.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

I love this. Keep building the lines. This guy looks like he could be an amazing NFL guard.

I haven’t watched him but he actually has longer arms than some of the tackles and he tested well. Interesting that he’s pretty universally projected to be a guard.

 

[Xplosive]

I love this. Keep building the lines. This guy looks like he could be an amazing NFL guard.

He has 34" arm length I believe, he was primarily a RT in college and does seen like a player that might be better at guard. With that said I have always thought he was a good 2nd round option for the Bears.

 

[DefNextYear]

If you’re a scout, would you put your reputation on the line vouching for a guy with 33 inch arms and a 77 inch wingspan when the facts are

1. There are zero current OTs in the NFL with those measurements
2. There has never been a pro bowl LT with those measurements

Beyond that, I think his on field play has been really overrated. Think it’s more good than great, but those measurements are just a killer. He should fall, but teams do dumb shit all the time.

Yea, I get the debate cause he's a guy I was hoping to have until all these reports of him having short arms... then we got actual measurements.

Would I do it? I guess it just depends on how confident I felt in my scouting. I'm not a scout, so I personally have no confidence. But, I think it's easier to pass a player so long as you have a better one to give. Say I know Mason and Membou are slam dunks and I'm correct, then the likelihood of being "wrong" would be small. This is easy at the top of the board. I think the Patriots can easily pass on Campbell if they're unsure, as an example.

But as we get to the 10th pick, I have to be absolutely sure whoever I say is the better choice at 10 will be the better player. At 10, it's probably a lot harder to make that guarantee. Ultimately, it usually doesn't matter as long as you draft a really good player. I totally get what you're saying though and the historical basis behind it. If he slides, I'll know that's why and won't blame teams for shying away. If he's a stud, I guess it'll just be a new data point for the future to tip the scales the other way. Really, the bottom line is you can't pick a guy that will be a bust... and that's even worse if you pick a bust and Campbell ends up good.

 

[Xplosive]

Yea, he looks good with everything I watch. In such a weak OT draft, I'm surprised he doesn't get more hype. He looked pretty damn good against the soon-to-be top 3 pick.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1909664263679205645

I don't know, looks like he was beaten to the inside a few times and also bullrushed straight back once as well. There weren't many snaps shown but I counted about 3 pressures from Abdul Carter in maybe 10 snaps. Connerly got one pancake block in but he was lucky a couple times to get help from the guard.

 

[Enasic]

Yea, I get the debate cause he's a guy I was hoping to have until all these reports of him having short arms... then we got actual measurements.

Would I do it? I guess it just depends on how confident I felt in my scouting. I'm not a scout, so I personally have no confidence. But, I think it's easier to pass a player so long as you have a better one to give. Say I know Mason and Membou are slam dunks and I'm correct, then the likelihood of being "wrong" would be small. This is easy at the top of the board. I think the Patriots can easily pass on Campbell if they're unsure, as an example.

But as we get to the 10th pick, I have to be absolutely sure whoever I say is the better choice at 10 will be the better player. At 10, it's probably a lot harder to make that guarantee. Ultimately, it usually doesn't matter as long as you draft a really good player. I totally get what you're saying though and the historical basis behind it. If he slides, I'll know that's why and won't blame teams for shying away. If he's a stud, I guess it'll just be a new data point for the future to tip the scales the other way. Really, the bottom line is you can't pick a guy that will be a bust... and that's even worse if you pick a bust and Campbell ends up good.

This is a weird draft with very few blue players. Sitting at 10 is a tricky spot because you’re likely not getting a blue player, and there will be similarly graded prospects available much later. My preference would be to trade down but then, why would a team want to trade up? Maybe if they want sanders or dart, but other than that, it’s unlikely.

All that said, I’m not drafting an outlier at 10. I don’t think he’s going to be able to play LT and I’m not overly confident he will even be a good OG. If you’re drafting an OG at 10, he better be a perennial all-pro, and there’s too much projection there for me to take that leap.

 

[bears51/40]

This is a weird draft with very few blue players. Sitting at 10 is a tricky spot because you’re likely not getting a blue player, and there will be similarly graded prospects available much later. My preference would be to trade down but then, why would a team want to trade up? Maybe if they want sanders or dart, but other than that, it’s unlikely.

All that said, I’m not drafting an outlier at 10. I don’t think he’s going to be able to play LT and I’m not overly confident he will even be a good OG. If you’re drafting an OG at 10, he better be a perennial all-pro, and there’s too much projection there for me to take that leap.

What if Warren is still there at ten. I would say half the teams in the league would like to have him on their team.

 

[bears51/40]

I don't know, looks like he was beaten to the inside a few times and also bullrushed straight back once as well. There weren't many snaps shown but I counted about 3 pressures from Abdul Carter in maybe 10 snaps. Connerly got one pancake block in but he was lucky a couple times to get help from the guard.

Can't tell much from a 52 second video. All I know is Poles really likes this player. Personally, scouted him the last two years, interviewed him at the combine, and was one of his top 30 visits.

 

[Enasic]

What if Warren is still there at ten. I would say half the teams in the league would like to have him on their team.

I’m not nearly as high on Warren as others. If some team wants to make a deal if he’s on the board, let’s go.

 

[DefNextYear]

I don't know, looks like he was beaten to the inside a few times and also bullrushed straight back once as well. There weren't many snaps shown but I counted about 3 pressures from Abdul Carter in maybe 10 snaps. Connerly got one pancake block in but he was lucky a couple times to get help from the guard.

Carter is a guy a lot have listed as the best player in the draft though. Conerly was giving the inside on some reps, twice in this clip. But, that said, I'd not be disappointed with any of the other reps at all. Even those inside reps, it looks like he was wisely allowing Carter to take a direction and just be sure he's shielding the QB. He could probably do better, sure, but they weren't terrible reps.

The point really is that Conerly is being ranked as OT5 or so. I see him fairly regularly mocked in the 2nd whereas I see Campbell, Membou, Banks, and Simmons usually drafted in the 1st. And to be clear, I'm not saying Conerly is some superstar, I'm just saying I'm surprised how he's been ranked so low consistently when he has been a highly rated prospect since HS and has performed fairly well in college also. His measurables also check all the boxes (over 34" arms on his pro day, great 10 yard and vertical). He's also at a premium position and we know teams will reach for a LT.

Also, for the record, PFF gave no pressures to Conerly in that game.

 

[dabears70]

If Ben decides he needs a certain player to ensure his offense succeeds then take him. I don’t care if it’s a TE or RB. I trust Johnson’s vision more than I do Poles’s vision.

But what about CCS's vision??

 

[dabears70]

Yea, he looks good with everything I watch. In such a weak OT draft, I'm surprised he doesn't get more hype. He looked pretty damn good against the soon-to-be top 3 pick.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1909664263679205645

He's gotten a ton more hype ever since someone posted Mike Tice saying he's his top T in this draft.