Official NFL Draft Thread - Bear Fans Only - and No Montucky!

[DefNextYear]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1910380801675714631

Sad times... I like him. If they're hell bent on a top end RB prospect, I'm ok seeing what falls to 39/41. There should be one of Judkins, Skat, and Johnson there. I like all of them. I like guys in the 3rd too.

My gut though is that Ben will want to get a ~top 5 type of back though given his emphasis on the run game. So that said, I feel like they won't gamble on waiting to see what's there in the 3rd.

 

[dennehy]

Not knowing a lot about the Saints, they lined up in the A gap about half the time the Bears did with the NT/1T. I checked 2023 too considering Billings injury. Based on that, my guess is Billings' snaps will drop some. The Saints generally seemed to favor using two 3Ts unless it was a clearer running situation.

I went back to 2021 and not one of the top 3 DTs in snaps even exceeded 300 lbs.
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Billings isn't really a big, clogging nose though.

His snaps will certainly drop, he was playing way too much last year.

 

[Katesboobsrgr8]

I'm feeling like Jalon Walker might be the guy who drops this year. If he does, he's the obvious choice at 10, isn't he?

 

[thenewguy]

Billings is 30 for the entire NFL season next year, and he costs $3,3m. Unless he gets injured or is still injured there's no reason not to keep him. He was the best DL on the team last year imo and they really collapsed after he got hurt. He was also playing too many snaps, and that shouldn't be as big an issue this year.

Yeah, no reason to get rid of Billings. He's a tremendous value. It really is a great time to get an interior DL and let them learn from Jarret and Billings. Those two may only have a couple of years in the tank and hopefully they can help develop some young players and reduce their snaps in the process.

 

[DefNextYear]

Billings isn't really a big, clogging nose though.

His snaps will certainly drop, he was playing way too much last year.

No, he isn't the large 330 lb NT, but just his style as a 1T seems like it's not exactly how Allen does it. But who knows... maybe Allen sees this piece and decides to tweak things to utilize a guy who was a high performer. I'm just speculating based on what I could gather from NO's past seasons. A lot of embedded assumptions on my part.

 

[TL1961]

Don't forget jalen carter

Who?

 

[TL1961]

And you draft a guy when he falls because character is no better or worse of a way to predict whether or not or guy will be a bust.

You can have the Tim Tebow of leadership character and hard work and he can still be awful as a football player and bust out of the league.

You don’t draft a player lacking NFL talent because he has high character but you may want to pass on a player possessing NFL talent due to character concerns.

 

[DefNextYear]

I'm feeling like Jalon Walker might be the guy who drops this year. If he does, he's the obvious choice at 10, isn't he?

I believe DA would love him in the way he runs all these different fronts. At the moment, he has done a lot of damage from the nickel (Gordon is going to be dangerous this year). He also likes to bring LBs to the LOS and stand up his edges a lot. I think all of these things make it so a versatile guy like Walker would be an absolute weapon for him.

 

[HearshotKDS]

And big fatties that will, or should, be around in the early 2nd that you like if we aren't able to get Grant? T.Williams, A.Collins, O.Norman Lott, D.Walker, J.Phillips?

Collins has really grown on me, I think his ceiling is a really solid NT but not a star or significant pass rush threat. But think he will be a really good space clogging tarpit in the NFL that run games basically just have to avoid. Deone Walker is a no for me due to back issues, I like Lott, and havent watched a ton of Williams or Phillips.

 

[dabears70]

Collins has really grown on me, I think his ceiling is a really solid NT but not a star or significant pass rush threat. But think he will be a really good space clogging tarpit in the NFL that run games basically just have to avoid. Deone Walker is a no for me due to back issues, I like Lott, and havent watched a ton of Williams or Phillips.

Good stuff but i think D.Walker could end up the gem out of all the players listed if he holds up health wise. I think he can be that big fatty that can stop the run and get to the passer. Big question though when it comes to back issues.

 

[Xplosive]

Chris Jones #37
Justin Madubuike #71
Quinnen Williams #3
Jalen Carter #9
Justin Simmons #19
Dexter Lawrence #17
Vita Vea #12
Daron Payne #13
Kenny Clarke #27
Javon Hargrave #89

Please stop cherry picking only the highest drafted players at the position. Even when you try the majority still fall outside of the top 10.

It's not difficult to find a good DT in the draft, and MOST are not top 10 picks meaning that unless the Bears are really good they can find another DT somewhere during the mid first round where they will be picking


@SugarWalls @bamainatlanta etc

 

[bears51/40]

Philly has a rotation, Jalen Carter played 79% of the snaps and 3 other DTs below 50%.
Dexter played 57% of the snaps and they also added Grady Jarrett who played 67% of snaps for Atlanta...
Do you think Dexter will want even less snaps or that the Bears are paying Jarret to play less than 50% of the snaps?

So how do they fit in a #10 pick that will also be in need of at least 50% of the snaps, plus Andrew Billings?

Dexter looks like he is about 285 right now, could be the plan is to use him in a rotation as a base DE and slide him inside as a rush DT.

 

[Xplosive]

You can't possibly be this wrong. The Eagles had just drafted Jordan Davis and had an elder statesman in Fletcher Cox and drafted Jalen Carter to play around 30 to 40 percent of the snaps behind those two. You draft high level talent regardless of your depth. Especially with Grady Jarrett being long in the tooth. You want a player like Nolen to learn behind a long established pro who is also a known leader.

The Eagles were already a playoff team loaded with talent, they could afford to draft for depth. They had players like Cox and Graham who had one foot out of the door already so of course they were looking to replace them.

Jordan Davis is not a 3T that would need to share snaps with Carter who was a former teammate.

Keep trying.

 

[Xplosive]

You realize this invalidates your argument right?

You said “DT position is an easy to scout” and then implied it would be really easy to find a DT anywhere in the draft next season.

What would being selected in the top 10 matter then?

DT is a ridiculously hard position to scout. I’m starting to wonder if your a brilliant parody account

I confess you caught me, my alt is @bamainalabama..

 

[bears51/40]

IMO, the way the draft appears to be shaping up, I just don't see any trench guys worth taking at 10 but they may take a couple on day 2 though.
Aside from possibly CB, I expect some sort of offensive chess piece for Ben at 10. It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out.

Considering Ben Johnson is the HC you very well could be right. Bears would still need a LT on day two at 39'41, or 72. who could you see the Bears taking in that range?

 

[Xplosive]

Dexter looks like he is about 285 right now, could be the plan is to use him in a rotation as a base DE and slide him inside as a rush DT.

I've thought about that. He really seems to be becoming more of a 5Tech vs 3Tech. He probably is better suited for a 3-4 defense. I dont see Poles drafting a guy to come in making more money than him as a higher drafted player, and then taking away snaps.

That's a brilliant way to get a disgruntled player that wants to be traded.

 

[Wild_x_Card]

No apologies needed. He chose not to even run a 40 so he's not getting any Jahmyr Gibbs comps, but I get the concept that's he's a much faster Monty. He's also about 3 inches shorter and nearly 15lbs lighter, so I think he won't be able to pull it off in NFL and will get worn down trying to out muscle, much better and bigger players.

I can't think of the last RB that was his size and was consistently one of the Best RBs in the league... Sweetness?

His running style is closest to Kareem Hunt with more explosiveness. His size is of zero concern. It's not like we're taking about tweener back bordering on 200LBs. He's an inch shorter then LaDainian Tomlinson and the same weight. He put up 605 on the squat rack and made it look easy (full squat) and the trainers cut him off for safety reasons. His contact balance will transfer.

 

[SugarWalls]

Chris Jones #37
Justin Madubuike #71
Quinnen Williams #3
Jalen Carter #9
Justin Simmons #19
Dexter Lawrence #17
Vita Vea #12
Daron Payne #13
Kenny Clarke #27
Javon Hargrave #89

Please stop cherry picking only the highest drafted players at the position. Even when you try the majority still fall outside of the top 10.

It's not difficult to find a good DT in the draft, and MOST are not top 10 picks meaning that unless the Bears are really good they can find another DT somewhere during the mid first round where they will be picking


@SugarWalls @bamainatlanta etc

It’s subjective and I legitimately just went down a PFF list.

Still waiting on your top TE list

 

[Xplosive]

His running style is closest to Kareem Hunt with more explosiveness. His size is of zero concern. It's not like we're taking about at tweener back bordering on 200LBs. He's an inch shorter then LaDainian Tomlinson and the same weight. He put up 605 on the squat rack and made it look easy (full squat) and the trainers cut him off for safety reasons. His contact balance will transfer.

Jeanty was measured at 5'8 and change 211lbs. LT was measured 5'10 and change 221lbs... thats a bit of a difference.

I can definitely see some Kareem Hunt in Jeanty's style. Maybe he will be great but in my opinion he isn't worth a top 10 pick. I think his style could just as easily be a flop because he is an undersized power rusher.

We don't know his actual speed because he is scared it will hurt his draft stock. He also was on video saying Chicago was too cold for him and since they have Swift he didn't want to be there.

Idk, maybe he'll be great and I'll loose silly for doubting him, I'm not an expert so if Poles does pull the trigger, oh well go Jeanty... I guess.

 

[bears51/40]

https://x.com/Chicago_NFL/status/1910327342313914746

Been saying this the entire time (OL in round 2)

If the Bears were to go OL in round two, I would take a long look at Charles Grant, even though it is another FCS LT. He is a freak athlete who is healthy, a stronger player coming out of college than Jones and much quicker than Amegadjie. Poles says he wants competition at LT and Grant can be that.