Official NFL Draft Thread - Bear Fans Only - and No Montucky!

[modo]

Nah, they can get a guy with a first round grade at ten even if he’s not a “blue.”

There are supposed to be 12-14 players with 1st round grades and none of them are QBs.

That math favors the Bears at ten.

Maybe, will they be positions of need or want however?

I'd rather give up a second and get a better chance of drafting a difference maker.

Bears need difference makers.

 

[modo]

39 and 41 doesn’t get a blue chip prospect though. in this specific draft when you get into the teens the grades flatten out fairly significantly all the way up until like pick 50. 15-50 are surprisingly close in draft grades so trading up doesn’t really help you at all. You’d rather have more picks.

You’d rather have more picks in any scenario, So I don’t really get this whole “you actually don’t even want a bunch of picks this draft” thing I just read. Maybe if the draft is super weak and you feel comfortable enough to trade for future picks because the next draft is deep. Or some scenario like that. That’s rare and most teams aren’t in a position to do that though.

If this were the case no one would ever trade up.....

 

[playthrough2001]

Schefter listed the following players – 13 on rookie deals and six veterans – as ones who could be traded ahead of or during the draft this weekend:

Will Levis, QB, Titans
Treylon Burks, WR, Titans
Kayvon Thibodeaux, Edge, Giants
Evan Neal, OL, Giants
Jalin Hyatt, WR, Giants
Sam Howell, QB, Seahawks
Tyree Wilson, Edge, Raiders
Greg Newsome II, CB, Browns
Travis Etienne Jr., RB, Jaguars
Odafe Oweh, Edge, Ravens
George Pickens, WR, Steelers
Rachaad White, RB, Bucs
Kayshon Boutte, WR, Patriots
Jalen Ramsey, CB, Dolphins
Jaire Alexander, CB, Packers
Kirk Cousins, QB, Falcons
Dallas Goedert, TE, Eagles
Mark Andrews, TE, Ravens
Trey Hendrickson, Edge, Bengals

Adam Schefter's NFL draft intel: Everything he's hearing ahead of Round 1

Where could Shedeur Sanders land? Which teams could make trades? What's going on with Kirk Cousins? Here's what Adam Schefter is hearing.

www.espn.com

 

[DefNextYear]

“Starters draft” sounds like some made up bullshit because they don’t want to just directly say the draft isn’t very good.

What draft are most 2nd rounders not considered starters?

Thats what they keep saying. Not a lot of blue chip talent, but deep with starters. “You can get a solid starter in the 2nd round.” Isn’t that every draft though?

That's the whole point of what I'm saying. The person I quoted said it's "thin in starters" and I disagree. I think there should be 3 starts, minimum from this draft. That's reasonable in any draft. I'm not calling it a special draft. I'm more so saying it's not as bad as people are saying it is.

 

[Bears4Ever_34]

The Raiders are kind of a mystery. At first, I thought they were dead set on Jeanty, but the more openly they talk about it, the more I question whether or not they're just trying to get a team to jump in front of them so they can take Graham or one of the offensive lineman.

I could also see them targeting a CB. Carroll took Witherspoon in the top 10 a couple years ago. We know he's big on the secondary, and the Raiders are in dire need of help there, too.

 

[DefNextYear]

maybe 30% and Poles is at a whopping 0%

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It's been 3 years. It would just take Kiran to hit and there's the 30%. Obviously, the first two suck, but you're over-thinking a small sample size. You're not even considering position. Like how many of those 30% are RBs, safeties, and LBs? Those are "easy" to hit on in the 3rd. Poles took a WR, LT, and DT, which are relatively more difficult to hit in the 3rd. If he took a RB, LB, and safety, probably 2 of 3 of them are "starters".

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Schefter listed the following players – 13 on rookie deals and six veterans – as ones who could be traded ahead of or during the draft this weekend:

Will Levis, QB, Titans
Treylon Burks, WR, Titans
Kayvon Thibodeaux, Edge, Giants
Evan Neal, OL, Giants
Jalin Hyatt, WR, Giants
Sam Howell, QB, Seahawks
Tyree Wilson, Edge, Raiders
Greg Newsome II, CB, Browns
Travis Etienne Jr., RB, Jaguars
Odafe Oweh, Edge, Ravens
George Pickens, WR, Steelers
Rachaad White, RB, Bucs
Kayshon Boutte, WR, Patriots
Jalen Ramsey, CB, Dolphins
Jaire Alexander, CB, Packers
Kirk Cousins, QB, Falcons
Dallas Goedert, TE, Eagles
Mark Andrews, TE, Ravens
Trey Hendrickson, Edge, Bengals

Adam Schefter's NFL draft intel: Everything he's hearing ahead of Round 1

Where could Shedeur Sanders land? Which teams could make trades? What's going on with Kirk Cousins? Here's what Adam Schefter is hearing.

www.espn.com

Lol at Joe schoen still having a job and wanting to get rid of all his top picks.

Having said that, I'd take Neal and thibodeaux for a 3rd probably.

I'm a little surprised tyreek isn't on that list

 

[playthrough2001]

@DefNextYear This would mess up our bet!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1911928199799574969

 

[playthrough2001]

Lol at Joe schoen still having a job and wanting to get rid of all his top picks.

Having said that, I'd take Neal and thibodeaux for a 3rd probably.

I'm a little surprised tyreek isn't on that list

I would take Kayvon for 72 in a heartbeat.

 

[DefNextYear]

Schefter listed the following players – 13 on rookie deals and six veterans – as ones who could be traded ahead of or during the draft this weekend:

Will Levis, QB, Titans
Treylon Burks, WR, Titans
Kayvon Thibodeaux, Edge, Giants
Evan Neal, OL, Giants
Jalin Hyatt, WR, Giants
Sam Howell, QB, Seahawks
Tyree Wilson, Edge, Raiders
Greg Newsome II, CB, Browns
Travis Etienne Jr., RB, Jaguars
Odafe Oweh, Edge, Ravens
George Pickens, WR, Steelers
Rachaad White, RB, Bucs
Kayshon Boutte, WR, Patriots
Jalen Ramsey, CB, Dolphins
Jaire Alexander, CB, Packers
Kirk Cousins, QB, Falcons
Dallas Goedert, TE, Eagles
Mark Andrews, TE, Ravens
Trey Hendrickson, Edge, Bengals

Adam Schefter's NFL draft intel: Everything he's hearing ahead of Round 1

Where could Shedeur Sanders land? Which teams could make trades? What's going on with Kirk Cousins? Here's what Adam Schefter is hearing.

www.espn.com

I wonder what Thibodeaux costs. I honestly haven't paid attention to him much other than him having a good rookie or 2nd year, so not sure if he's going to command a premium return in draft value.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

I would take Kayvon for 72 in a heartbeat.

Neal still interests me as a buy low candidate. Idk where he should play but I think a good OL coach could figure something out. He was a freak coming out in the draft. I loved him as a prospect, so maybe I'm just biased in still thinking he has hope.

 

[DefNextYear]

@DefNextYear This would mess up our bet!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1911928199799574969

Yea, I saw that a week or so ago. I don't think they'd tell him they were drafting him, so I don't put much into it. Shadeur had the Giants stuff too, but it takes two to tango. I will say I do fully expect Mason to be the pick at 5 still. He's a great fit. I figured the odds to hit a longshot with McMillian was worth it though. It's a longshot, but odds are good enough to go for it. I actually would hate to pick McMillian at 5 if I were a fan of the team.

 

[playthrough2001]

I wonder what Thibodeaux costs. I honestly haven't paid attention to him much other than him having a good rookie or 2nd year, so not sure if he's going to command a premium return in draft value.

He only played 12 games last year. He had 11.5 sacks in ‘23.

 

[EDPeezy]

If this were the case no one would ever trade up.....

I should have said in almost any scenario. I’m also more basing that opinion off your “You’d rather have less picks this draft“ statement. I get what you’re saying, but there are a lot variables and just on the surface seems like kind of a crazy thing to say. All drafts are different and the talent is spread differently so it just seems like a blanket statement when there’s more nuance to it.

Kind of going off on a tangent here, but people get too focused on rounds. Like there’s this magical drop that happens between 33 and 32. That’s the extreme example, but people do it to a lesser extent all the time. Rounds are meaningless. It’s the pick number that matters. People have this psychological thing with rounds.

There is not that big of a difference in how we look at pick 22 and pick 30. Of course there is some. It’s 8 spots. But now imagine there are only 22 teams. And know I can say one is a first round pick and one is a middle second round pick. That psychologically changes your expectation and projection for those players the way them both being late firsts doesn’t. People do that all the time.

 

[TL1961]

If you’re not laughing at the Bears are you really a fan?

Amen to that!

 

[TL1961]

Why would it be miraculous if he was healthy in time to get some TC in and ready to go game 1?

I didn’t say it was miraculous that he healed. I said it was miraculously that he was suddenly better than before the injury.

 

[Nelly]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1914327651520778526

I pointed this out before, but... yea... Jeanty absolutely should not go 5 overall. In fact, I think he'd have the 2nd highest guaranteed money behind Saquon. It's just absolutely terrible resource management. If a team does this, the guy better be Barry Sanders and he better be the Barry Sanders that wins playoff games.

Could you name 5 other running backs in the NFL right now that you'd rather have over Jeanty though? Barkley is the only slam dunk probably. Henry is getting way up there on age and miles. CMC has always had injury issues. Gibbs is dynamic but you question his ability to shoulder the load. Others in the conversation would be who? ...Bijan Robinson, James Cook, Bucky Irving, Jonathan Taylor, Josh Jacobs? The list isn't very long.

That said, that's not me advocating for trading up for him. Please for the love of god don't do that Poles. There's too much RB value available later.

 

[TL1961]

He’s miserable for sure but he’s nowhere near as insufferable as the two Lion trolls.

But people here can’t stand not having them in any particular thread.

 

[playthrough2001]

But people here can’t stand not having them in any particular thread.

Not me. That’s why this thread is marked Bear Fans Only. I can’t stand either of them.

My thread on Poles had the same designation.

It truly improves the dialogue excluding them.

 

[Les Grossman]

@DefNextYear This would mess up our bet!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1911928199799574969

He looks little