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[Rise]

NFL mock draft: How league insiders expect top 10 picks to unfold: Will Jags take Jeanty?

The first four picks of the NFL Draft feel somewhat predictable. Where things will get interesting is at No. 5 with the Jaguars.

www.nytimes.com

The Giants have to determine soon whether they’ll exercise his fifth-year option. One executive estimated the Giants could move Thibodeaux for a third-round pick if he’s not in their long-term plans.

I’ll take that trade over the next Velus or damaged goods Poles would draft.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Why do people keep saying this? Who is Pittsburgh trading up to get ahead of? Don’t think they even have a 2nd pick too

Colts and Seahawks. If one jumps up then maybe they get an itchy trigger finger.

 

[Rise]

Why do people keep saying this? Who is Pittsburgh trading up to get ahead of? Don’t think they even have a 2nd pick too

Right nobody wants the QBs ahead of them and nobody is going trade above them. If anything teams will trade into the late 1st to grab one of them after the Steelers pass.

 

[Enasic]

There’s a lot of room for Mason Graham to be inferior to Aaron Donald but still an extremely good football player.

For sure, I don’t disagree. I think he will be a good football player…am I sold on him being elite/blue chipper? Not necessarily, but he’s a relatively safe pick.

 

[Rise]

Colts and Seahawks. If one jumps up then maybe they get an itchy trigger finger.

The Colts should take Sanders but I’ll be surprised if they do.

 

[bearsfan1977]

I like graham but I do think he’s a bit overrated. I think he’s just a notch below a blue player and I’d hardly be surprised if he doesn’t end up as the best DT in this class. Harmon and Nolen both have higher ceilings IMO

I agree with this, except I’m not as high on Harmon as some others.

It’s instinct more than anything, but I don’t think Graham will be as impactful a pro player as most believe.

I think Grant and Nolen are the 2 best DL in this draft class.

 

[DefNextYear]

If Schoen and Daboll feel the pressure, it makes a lot of sense to me to turn Kayvon into another player. If they get a 3rd rounder for him, that pick can even be packaged to move up for a QB, if that's what they want to do. If the Bears gave 72, they'd be able to pair it with their 2nd to move up to around 23 to take a QB. They have their own 3rd too, but this all just gives more flexibility. Walk away with Carter and Sanders and fans will be pretty happy.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

The Colts should take Sanders but I’ll be surprised if they do.

The Colts should fire their GM and their owner should check into rehab but I digress

 

[Enasic]

I agree with this, except I’m not as high on Harmon as some others.

It’s instinct more than anything, but I don’t think Graham will be as impactful a pro player as most believe.

I think Grant and Nolen are the 2 best DL in this draft class.

Nolen is super talented but there are some character/work ethic concerns there. That always bothers me but this staff might be able to get the most from him. Definitely would not take him at 10 though.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

I don't buy anything that says the Saints are drafting a QB. They are on the March for Arch.

 

[gallagher]

If this is real, seems like a no-brainer.

Poles will draft a bum with that 3rd rounder anyways.

A defender at that selection would not be expected to outperform Thibodeaux, at least not in the short term.

I'd take that in a heartbeat

 

[Rise]

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[BaBaBlacksheep]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1914709481088254211

Holy chit!

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1914708743159263738

Is there anything BJ can’t do??

Throw a strike at Wrigley

Insult players

Write poetry

 

[Les Grossman]

If Schoen and Daboll feel the pressure, it makes a lot of sense to me to turn Kayvon into another player. If they get a 3rd rounder for him, that pick can even be packaged to move up for a QB, if that's what they want to do. If the Bears gave 72, they'd be able to pair it with their 2nd to move up to around 23 to take a QB. They have their own 3rd too, but this all just gives more flexibility. Walk away with Carter and Sanders and fans will be pretty happy.

That's the opposite logic I would think.

IF they are feeling the pressure, they need produce now. Trading a player like Kayvon removes production from the current team and invests in the future that Schoen and Daboll don't have (bc they are under pressure).

 

[Montucky]

A defender at that selection would not be expected to outperform Thibodeaux, at least not in the short term.

I'd take that in a heartbeat

The problem is this is the logic that led the bears to trading the exact pick that turned into Cooper DeJean for Montez Sweat and thirty-second overall for Chase Claypool.

If you have so little faith in your draft process that you’re just assuming every pick after the first round or two is just going to be a bust—and that’s its just better to trade those picks away for aging (expensive) vets—then you’re just never gonna make it. The organization isn’t going to be successful. You will just wallow until you get new people in charge.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1914715852580024603

 

[DefNextYear]

That's the opposite logic I would think.

IF they are feeling the pressure, they need produce now. Trading a player like Kayvon removes production from the current team and invests in the future that Schoen and Daboll don't have (bc they are under pressure).

I don't disagree that they need production, but a 3rd edge is less efficient for a team with a lot of holes. Turning him into an impact player elsewhere... say a WR, TE, or RB, will help revamp the team... or play it smart and get another lineman. I get those 3 edges would be good players, but its diminishing returns if you can't have them on the field all the time. I think an extra offensive piece is important if they want Shadeur too.

Main problem is that I don't believe he's only worth a 3rd. My guess is he'd at least get a 2nd. That changes everything cause then the Giants can really make good use of that trade. If I were a Giants fan though, I'd not want to lock up so much in my edge position. They'll get more on the field impact by moving him imo. I'd like the rotation if they were a good team that could afford the luxury to not maximize their talents.

 

[bears51/40]

Is 4.2ypc really a “force” though? Gibbs has the same situational & personnel run splits as him and averages about 30% more in ypc.

Monty is a force scoring TDs though, 25 in his two years in Detroit.

 

[Les Grossman]

I don't disagree that they need production, but a 3rd edge is less efficient for a team with a lot of holes. Turning him into an impact player elsewhere... say a WR, TE, or RB, will help revamp the team... or play it smart and get another lineman. I get those 3 edges would be good players, but its diminishing returns if you can't have them on the field all the time. I think an extra offensive piece is important if they want Shadeur too.

Main problem is that I don't believe he's only worth a 3rd. My guess is he'd at least get a 2nd. That changes everything cause then the Giants can really make good use of that trade. If I were a Giants fan though, I'd not want to lock up so much in my edge position. They'll get more on the field impact by moving him imo. I'd like the rotation if they were a good team that could afford the luxury to not maximize their talents.

How can you having a double digit sack EDGE player is not providing production? And you really think a 3rd round pick is going to be an immediately impact player elsewhere?? I'm sorry, but miniscule chance.

Also I think we've seen it still hold true today with PHI, you can't have too many pass rushers. I couldn't disagree with you more on this one.