Official NFL Draft Thread - Bear Fans Only - and No Montucky!

[Luke]

Merry Christmas boys!

 

[playthrough2001]

Last year the big surprises that allowed Rome to fall to us were JC Latham and Michael Penix. Who do you think it’ll be this year? That CB out of Michigan seems to be getting a lot of play. Same with Tyler Warren,

@DefNextYear and I know the simple answer, T Mac is going 5 to Jax.

Winner, winner chicken dinner MF!

 

[Xplosive]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1915072808012427546

In case anyone needs a reminder about Simmons. The player he was meant to be will likely never be realized. And for the crowd that is ok as long as his medicals check out... He'll be cleared and it won't change the facts of the injury and recovery.

Or....

This injury could be being over dramatized in order for him to slide to a team further back that wants to pick him. If you watched the injury there was nothing dramatic that caused it to happen.

He is showing a lot of improvement already and it's being downplayed based on Twitter doctors saying it's catastrophic. They could just as likely be wrong.

 

[Luke]

Wednesday morning odds by pick

The most obvious change is Jeanty moving up to 5 as the favorite, Membou, Banks creeping up and Graham, Sanders falling.

1 Ward -20000
2 Hunter -.900
3 Carter -650, Hunter +550, Sanders +700
4 Campbell -380
5 Jeanty -125, Graham +220, Tet +450
6 Jeanty +145, Membou +180. Graham +650
7 Membou +170, Warren +370, Banks +425
8 Walker +130, Williams +400, Tet +550
9 Williams +370, Graham +550, Banks +600..Dart +1000, Sanders +1200
10 Waren +370, Jeanty +425, Banks +550

Draft day morning odds by pick

Barring trades, top 5 looks just about set and then comes the unknown.
The power of DJ - Banks down to +175 at 6. Warren now the favorite at 7. Warren or Banks to the Bears.

1 Ward -20000
2 Hunter -1200
3 Carter -800
4 Campbell -475
5 Jeanty -230, Graham +350, Tet +600
6 Banks +175, Membou +175
7 Warren +210, Membou +270, Graham +450
8 Walker +125, Graham +250, Williams +600
9 Williams +250, Warren +650, Banks +650..Dart +750, Sanders +1200
10 Waren +320, Banks +475

Wednesday morning odds by pick

The most obvious change is Jeanty moving up to 5 as the favorite, Membou, Banks creeping up and Graham, Sanders falling.

1 Ward -20000
2 Hunter -.900
3 Carter -650, Hunter +550, Sanders +700
4 Campbell -380
5 Jeanty -125, Graham +220, Tet +450
6 Jeanty +145, Membou +180. Graham +650
7 Membou +170, Warren +370, Banks +425
8 Walker +130, Williams +400, Tet +550
9 Williams +370, Graham +550, Banks +600..Dart +1000, Sanders +1200
10 Waren +370, Jeanty +425, Banks +550

Tuesday morning Draft Kings odds by pick.


1 Ward -20000
2 Hunter -1000
3 Carter -600, Sanders +450
4 Campbell -380
5 Graham +125, Jeanty +150
6 Jeanty -125, Membou +300
7 Membou +150, Warren +275, Banks +550
8 Walker +130, Williams +400, Tmac +550
9 Williams +370, Sanders +425, Stewart/Banks +600
10 Waren +350, Jeanty +425, Banks +550

 

[playthrough2001]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1915075681551077750

What time are @ILoveDick and @DanielCCSBears going to start posting one of those King Poles dancing videos to show their love of his selections?

Will it be tonight?

After he cleans up Friday?

Or is it a cherry on top moment on Saturday?

How about right after each selection?

What will Daniel do if the Skat Man ends up a Bear?

If the Bears draft Banks, will the dick master start suggesting he should move to center? If it’s Warren, is he moving him to FB?

So much intrigue!

 

[Xplosive]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1915072808012427546

In case anyone needs a reminder about Simmons. The player he was meant to be will likely never be realized. And for the crowd that is ok as long as his medicals check out... He'll be cleared and it won't change the facts of the injury and recovery.

Or....

This injury could be being over-dramatized in order for him to slide to a team further back that wants to pick him. If you watched the injury there was nothing dramatic that caused it to happen.

He is showing a lot of improvement already and it's being downplayed based on Twitter doctors/experts saying it's catastrophic. They could just as likely be wrong

 

[DanielCCSBears]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1915075681551077750

What time are @ILoveDick and @DanielCCSBears going to start posting one of those King Poles dancing videos to show their love of his selections?

Will it be tonight?

After he cleans up Friday?

Or is it a cherry on top moment on Saturday?

How about right after each selection?

What will Daniel do if the Skat Man ends up a Bear?

If the Bears draft Banks, will the dick master start suggesting he should move to center? If it’s Warren, is he moving him to FB?

So much intrigue!

So why are you obsessed with me?

 

[playthrough2001]

So why are you obsessed with me?

Just having some fun with you…

You need to lighten up. People tend to give you shit because you’re usually an arrogant twat.

You’re annoying but not to the level where I felt the need to exclude you from this thread.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Or....

This injury could be being over-dramatized in order for him to slide to a team further back that wants to pick him. If you watched the injury there was nothing dramatic that caused it to happen.

He is showing a lot of improvement already and it's being downplayed based on Twitter doctors/experts saying it's catastrophic. They could just as likely be wrong

Lol at thinking something dramatic has to happen to make an injury bad.

Non-contact = bad

Patellar tendon = bad

 

[Xplosive]

Lol at thinking something dramatic has to happen to make an injury bad.

Non-contact = bad

Patellar tendon = bad

I'm not saying non contact injuries don't matter. I am saying that Twitter doctors that haven't actually seen his medical records can't be completely trusted.

The team doctors could just as easily say it's not as bad as the reports that are out in the media.

 

[ndgt10]

I know the Bears would pass on Graham if he falls to 10, but I think that would be a bad move.

 

[knoxville7]

@CaliBearFan This sounds pretty harsh to me.

@ILoveDick Care to chime in on this? Can you suck a dick until you get sick?

Yes, even @ILoveDick can get sick from over indulging upon cockk

It’s like a 7 year old on Halloween that eats too much candy. It hurts his tum tum, but he just can’t help but engulf the next “piece”

 

[playthrough2001]

From Mark Silverman via the Daily Herald:

“I’ll praise the Bears if:

1. Will Campbell or Kelvin Banks is the choice at 10 and either starts at left tackle. Campbell started opening day as a true freshman for LSU, was All-SEC for three years and was named a consensus All-American last season.

Banks was a three-year starter for Texas, a unanimous All-American last season, and awarded the Outland Trophy as the best lineman in football. The Bears cannot hope Braxton Jones heals or Kiran Amagadjie develops, finish off this offseason offensive line rebuild with a franchise left tackle.

2. Mason Graham falls to 10 and the Bears sprint to the podium announcing that the Michigan defensive tackle is the pick. In a scenario that was deemed unlikely just a few weeks ago, Dennis Allen is handed a do-everything player. Graham would provide the Bears with a force on the defensive line still short of playmakers.

3. Armand Membou is too good of a right tackle to pass up and Darnell Wright flips to left tackle. Wright and Membou are much better than Jones/Amagadjie and Wright. While this isn’t my favorite offensive line scenario, Ryan Poles did open the door to the possibility when he met the media on Tuesday.

4. Trade down. More picks = more better. The middle of the first round is the perfect spot to select one of the talented edge rushers. You can also win me over by picking the best edge on the board at 10. It’s not my favorite scenario, but if you are certain that player will be a stud, I’ll never argue with more help for the defensive line.

5. Swap picks with the Bengals for Trey Hendrickson. Remember him? 35 total sacks in the past two years and someone who has played for Allen. The Bears can still draft a player with the Bengals pick at 17. Throw in pick 72 and you still get a premier pass rusher along with young building blocks at 17, 39 and 41.

I’ll shrug and talk myself into:

1. Drafting running back Ashton Jeanty, tight ends Tyler Warren or Colston Loveland at 10. I’d rather draft a running back and/or tight end later, especially since that’s the strength of the draft. But I’m also in full trust Ben Johnson mode. If he’s convinced he can create offensive magic with one, I’ll roll with it and probably end up buying their jersey for my kids.

2. Trade up for Abdul Carter. I am strongly against the Bears giving up more draft capital and they are not a player away from contending for a Super Bowl. That said, Carter is a near sure thing if he’s healthy and the Bears need blue chippers.

I’m going Jets fan mode if:

1. The Bears trade up for Jeanty or anyone else not named Carter. I can barely get behind drafting Jeanty without the trade up — I explained why in last week’s column.

The shorter version is running backs don’t impact winning like other building blocks do. It’s the running game, not necessarily the running back. Not sure if I’ll actually boo at the official draft party, but it would dampen the accomplishments of the offseason.”

Silvy: These Bears draft scenarios would make me very happy

For the past several months I’ve been asked by friends, acquaintances, and strangers what I want the Bears to do at No. 10 in the NFL draft. My response is always “get it right.” After hundreds ...

www.dailyherald.com

 

[playthrough2001]

I now expect you will carry this through to the start of the draft...my clock is broken and your efforts are now considered a public service. Thank you.

12 hours

 

[DefNextYear]

Or....

This injury could be being over dramatized in order for him to slide to a team further back that wants to pick him. If you watched the injury there was nothing dramatic that caused it to happen.

He is showing a lot of improvement already and it's being downplayed based on Twitter doctors saying it's catastrophic. They could just as likely be wrong.

Nope…. Not likely wrong. I made a long post before. I’ll tag you. If all this doesn’t convince you, well… maybe you’ll hit the powerball too. But it does appear my reminder was needed.

And “nothing dramatic” happening, if you watch the injury… haven’t you ever heard people say that the non-contact injuries are often the worst? It’s a terrible sign he got this injured with “nothing dramatic” happening.

 

[DefNextYear]

You're giving waaaay too much credit to doctors. This isn't a clear yes/no situation. The patella tendon is a critical part of knee stabilization and anchoring to your quad to your tibia. If it was so easy to diagnose injuries (in general), doctors wouldn't be getting it wrong over and over and over. You're talking the best doctors in the world working in a multi-billion dollar industry and they still get it wrong.

In this case, a doctor likely won’t say a lot more than “it’s healed”. But, the complexities of the injuries still come down to rebuilding strength rapidly around the injury... working through a possibly now stiffer tendon... working out any new imbalances... mental confidence... etc. You even have recent examples like Bradley Chubb who missed an entire year+, but then why expect Simmons to be very valuable before we see him hit a calendar year? ... "way ahead of schedule" or not. And if he's not at a point where he can perform at 100%, there's no way to adequately assess the risk in a workout. I'm not sure what doctor can go in there and tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that everything will be ok.

Also, this isn't just day 3 picks that are bums either. Look up other recent OL with the injury: Cole Strange (1st round pick) and Lucas Niang (3rd round pick). I'm not saying Simmons won't ever play, but it is to say he'll likely never reach what his potential was. He probably won't be a premiere LT in the league worthy of the drooling and high expectations. Of course, the Bears can gamble that he will, but they've already gambled once on a huge tendon tear with Kiran. I'm not sure it's wise to double down at the same position.

Here's what doctors say:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1895892230713557300

Also:

"A study just published in June of this year [2016] in the American Journal of Sports Medicine looked at orthopedic procedures on over 550 NFL athletes. And of all the different surgeries that these guys have, those who fared the worst when it comes to rate of return to play and performance metrics like yards gained and touchdowns scored, [it was] patellar tendon repair.

And their careers were shortened overall significantly. It's not to say that one individual can't come back and be phenomenal, but it's telling you that the odds are against them in terms of returning to form."

Also:

According to Dr. Spindler, the study findings are a reality check for physicians and patients. The data may change expectations for recovery and reinforce the need for long-term rehabilitation after surgery.

“The fact is, these are massive injuries,” he says. “In spite of repairing and healing, the tendons often don’t come back anywhere near normal, and patients still have significant disability.”

Ruptured Patellar or Quad Tendon: Which Has Better Repair Outcomes?

New data on patellar and quad tendon ruptures may change expectations for recovery. A study finds that both injuries require significant rehabilitation time, and many patients never fully recover.

consultqd.clevelandclinic.org

Here's a 2nd round pick:
Injury update not good for 49ers former 2nd-round pick

Here was the highest paid center in the league:

49ers C Richburg retires from NFL, cites injuries

49ers center Weston Richburg announced his retirement Wednesday, saying that he had "reached a point where my body won't allow me to continue playing and competing at a high level."

www.espn.com

Here's another 2nd round pick, multi-time Pro Bowler, LeCharles Bentley, who was forced to retire cause of this injury.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/606831561044992001

@Xplosive

 

[TL1961]

Or....

This injury could be being over-dramatized in order for him to slide to a team further back that wants to pick him. If you watched the injury there was nothing dramatic that caused it to happen.

He is showing a lot of improvement already and it's being downplayed based on Twitter doctors/experts saying it's catastrophic. They could just as likely be wrong

Wouldn't saying it is catastrophic be the opposite of downplaying it?

You're suggesting several people - presumably from different organizations - are pretending there is a serious injury that doesn't really exist so Simmons can fall to one (unnamed) team? And you're basing it on how it looked to you on the game film?

 

[bears26]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1915378167709110406

 

[TL1961]

Also, per Adam Schefter, as reported exclusively by Adam Schefter, sources have confirmed to Adam Schefter that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers at #19, hold the pick immediately before Denver's #20.

 

[ZOMBIE@CTESPN]

Also, per Adam Schefter, as reported exclusively by Adam Schefter, sources have confirmed to Adam Schefter that the Tampa Bay Buccaneers at #19, hold the pick immediately before Denver's #20.

Link?