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KC was not a top 10 offense, but depending on if their other WR ends up in Jail, I think the playmakers for the Bears would be close until you add Mahomes to the equation.

I don't think you have looked at the rosters for Buffalo, Baltimore, and Washington lately...

Bufalo: Josh Allen, James Cook, Khalil Shakir (Curtis Samuel), Keon Coleman, Dalton Kincaid, (Dawson Knox)

Washington: Jalen Daniels, Brian Robinson Jr (Austin Ekeler), Terry McClaurin (Deebo Samuel), Zack Ertz, Noah "Philly" Brown

Baltimore: Lamar Jackson, Derrick Henry, Zay Flowers, Rashod Bateman, Mark Andrews, Isaiah Likely

Baltimore was the best offense in the NFL last season, and you are saying the Bears have better playmakers....???
Washington has upgraded at receiver and was already better than what the Bears even before the Bears lost Keenan.
Buffalo doesn't have name the name recognition but both TE's are big parts of the offense, Keon Coleman had a good rookie year averaging 19.2 ypc, Curtis Samuel is still a very good #3 WR, and at the end of the day they have Josh Allen who raised the level of them all.
Keon Coleman had 590 yards and 4 tds and that’s really good? Lmao.

Dj moore would be their best pass catcher instantly.

Buffalo has a great OL and Josh Allen is great.

Maybe go to bed you’re talking insanity

Edit: I’m sorry Coleman had 560 yards. Such a wild take you know it’s dumb so you cited his YPC
 

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We have better weapons than the Cowboys and Chargers do too.
As I addressed with bama... That is debatable. Ceedee Lamb & Dak Prescott alone are both much better than DJ Moore and Caleb. Dowdle and Swift is a wash. Kmet and Ferguson.. again not much difference..

IF Odunze becomes what we hope he will AND Caleb takes the huge step we are expecting... Maybe then we can say the Bears are better but definitely not at this point.

Still, what's with targeting the low hanging fruit teams instead of the actual top 10 teams talent which was the point of the comment??
 

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Well, I’m not talking about the RB though. I think the entire forum agrees we need a RB. I am talking about adding another WR or TE. Historically, no 4th WR/TE provides much value. Their only value is if they eventually replace one of the top 3. If you draft one in the top 10, then you're absolutely sending the message that someone is probably about to be gone cause they'd otherwise see their role diminished.
That can also be said for whatever position they take at #10, and yet everyone is clamoring for DE/OT/OG & DT. The difference to me is that the Bears have just invested tremendously to the trenches and yet the majority of this board seems to think the only option for #10 is more of the same for the benefit of rotational depth.

That's silly to me. The team is now top 10 in spending for OL/DL and yet instead of finding upgrades at positions of weakness or finding better skill position players in order to narrow the talent gap between what the best teams have and what the Bears have... People are instead trying to moneyball their way into relevance, thinking that simply copying what worked for Philly is some formula that the Bears must copy.
 

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Keon Coleman had 590 yards and 4 tds and that’s really good? Lmao.

Dj moore would be their best pass catcher instantly.

Buffalo has a great OL and Josh Allen is great.

Maybe go to bed you’re talking insanity

Edit: I’m sorry Coleman had 560 yards. Such a wild take you know it’s dumb so you cited his YPC
He's was a second round rookie that didn't play the whole season, it was a good year but obviously not Ladd McConkey or Brian Thomas Jr. Are we also saying that Rome Odunze had a bad season because he only had about 750 yards?

Edit...

He was the #8 rookie receiver in yardage (Bowers included), Odunze was #6 and Coleman only played 13 games not 17 like Odunze yet he had more touchdowns. I didn't say he was a pro bowler.

You're right about bed however 🍻
 
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A new mock draft was released at The Athletic this morning. This time it’s by Ben Standig.

When the Bears selection came up, Membou, Jeanty, and Warren were off the board. However, Campbell and Williams were both available. Here’s what he decided was best for Chicago and San Francisco at the next two picks.

“10. Chicago Bears: Mykel Williams, Edge, Georgia

Signing free agent Dayo Odeyingbo should not preclude the Bears from pursuing an edge defender, whether they’re monitoring a Trey Hendrickson trade or dipping into this deep class. The potential wrinkle is whether new head coach Ben Johnson wants to replicate Jahmyr Gibbs’ running back electricity in Chicago.

11. San Francisco 49ers: Will Campbell, T/G, LSU

The 49ers released/traded numerous talented players or passed on re-signing free agents to clear salary-cap space with heavy losses on both lines. Campbell is considered the surest offensive lineman in the draft but with shorter-than-desired arm length. San Francisco might begin Campbell’s career at guard while developing the 2024 All-American into the eventual Trent Williams replacement at left tackle.”

Here are the picks for the rest of the division.

“23. Green Bay Packers: Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon

The Packers historically do not select wide receivers in the first round, so we honor the trend. Harmon’s forceful interior presence and pass-rushing skills are needed as Green Bay waits for other recent first-round linemen to improve.


28. Detroit Lions: James Pearce Jr., Edge, Tennessee

Whether an end or tackle, the Lions look for defensive line depth. The 6-5 Pearce’s athleticism (his 1.56 time in the 10-yard split led all defensive ends at the combine) and college production (17 1/2 sacks and 28 tackles for loss since 2023) are worthy of top-20 status. Football character questions seemingly have raised enough eyebrows to drop Pearce into potentially the late first-round range.

34. *Minnesota Vikings (via Giants): Tyler Booker, G, Alabama

The Vikings (four picks before moving back) should be the team most aggressively looking for a trade-down. They miss out on Zabel yet still draft arguably the best interior offensive lineman. Booker, a two-year starter for the Crimson Tide, was frequently projected among the top 15 before a rough combine.”

All the teams in arguably the best division in football go trenches.

 
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A new mock draft was released at The Athletic this morning. This time it’s by Ben Standig.

When the Bears selection came up, Membou, Jeanty, and Warren were off the board. However, Campbell and Williams were both available. Here’s what he decided was best for Chicago and San Francisco at the next two picks.

“10. Chicago Bears: Mykel Williams, Edge, Georgia

Signing free agent Dayo Odeyingbo should not preclude the Bears from pursuing an edge defender, whether they’re monitoring a Trey Hendrickson trade or dipping into this deep class. The potential wrinkle is whether new head coach Ben Johnson wants to replicate Jahmyr Gibbs’ running back electricity in Chicago.

11. San Francisco 49ers: Will Campbell, T/G, LSU

The 49ers released/traded numerous talented players or passed on re-signing free agents to clear salary-cap space with heavy losses on both lines. Campbell is considered the surest offensive lineman in the draft but with shorter-than-desired arm length. San Francisco might begin Campbell’s career at guard while developing the 2024 All-American into the eventual Trent Williams replacement at left tackle.”

Here are the picks for the rest of the division.

“23. Green Bay Packers: Derrick Harmon, DT, Oregon

The Packers historically do not select wide receivers in the first round, so we honor the trend. Harmon’s forceful interior presence and pass-rushing skills are needed as Green Bay waits for other recent first-round linemen to improve.


28. Detroit Lions: James Pearce Jr., Edge, Tennessee

Whether an end or tackle, the Lions look for defensive line depth. The 6-5 Pearce’s athleticism (his 1.56 time in the 10-yard split led all defensive ends at the combine) and college production (17 1/2 sacks and 28 tackles for loss since 2023) are worthy of top-20 status. Football character questions seemingly have raised enough eyebrows to drop Pearce into potentially the late first-round range.

34. *Minnesota Vikings (via Giants): Tyler Booker, G, Alabama

The Vikings (four picks before moving back) should be the team most aggressively looking for a trade-down. They miss out on Zabel yet still draft arguably the best interior offensive lineman. Booker, a two-year starter for the Crimson Tide, was frequently projected among the top 15 before a rough combine.”

All the teams in arguably the best division in football go trenches.

F ck this, Pearce can’t go to the L’s
 

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That can also be said for whatever position they take at #10, and yet everyone is clamoring for DE/OT/OG & DT. The difference to me is that the Bears have just invested tremendously to the trenches and yet the majority of this board seems to think the only option for #10 is more of the same for the benefit of rotational depth.

That's silly to me. The team is now top 10 in spending for OL/DL and yet instead of finding upgrades at positions of weakness or finding better skill position players in order to narrow the talent gap between what the best teams have and what the Bears have... People are instead trying to moneyball their way into relevance, thinking that simply copying what worked for Philly is some formula that the Bears must copy.
That’s true, but the Bears genuinely do need to replace guys on the OL/DL. I don’t think Billings has a lot of time and I don’t think we can rely on Dayo. Those are easy targets for competition. On the OL, Braxton is going to be another. I think all of these guys are relatively average in the eyes of the league. Average guys deserve competition. On the flip side of it, DJ is one of the highest paid WRs, and Kmet is one of the highest paid TEs (both top 10 in total value of contract, both higher end draft choices). Rome was a top 10 pick a year ago. Those guys all have reason for people to believe are core pieces to this team for the next years. Their money and draft collateral say so. That’s not to say they’re invincible though. If Ben doesn’t want one or likes someone else more, then they may go ahead and make a move to replace them. My guess is they’re all good enough for Ben to keep for at least a year and make his own judgment before even thinking about bringing in high end competition for them.

I don’t see this as moneyball either. The Bears have invested heavily financially at WR/TE. As I mentioned above, those are also premium pick values. For example, I’m guessing Poles could’ve had Carolina’s first this year instead of DJ, but Poles chose to get DJ instead. These are guys the franchise value very highly. The Bears have moneyballed every other position besides these and DB.

And as much as I like the linemen they brought in, Thuney isn’t young and Jackson has a recent history of being hurt a lot. Those are more or less similar to just signing Amari Cooper right now if they want another target. They can’t rely on them to give much more than a 2 year bridge.
 
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KC was not a top 10 offense, but depending on if their other WR ends up in Jail, I think the playmakers for the Bears would be close until you add Mahomes to the equation.

I don't think you have looked at the rosters for Buffalo, Baltimore, and Washington lately...

Bufalo: Josh Allen, James Cook, Khalil Shakir (Curtis Samuel), Keon Coleman, Dalton Kincaid, (Dawson Knox)

Washington: Jalen Daniels, Brian Robinson Jr (Austin Ekeler), Terry McClaurin (Deebo Samuel), Zack Ertz, Noah "Philly" Brown

Baltimore: Lamar Jackson, Derrick Henry, Zay Flowers, Rashod Bateman, Mark Andrews, Isaiah Likely

Baltimore was the best offense in the NFL last season, and you are saying the Bears have better playmakers....???
Washington has upgraded at receiver and was already better than what the Bears had even before the Bears lost Keenan.
Buffalo doesn't have the name recognition but both TE's are big parts of the offense, Keon Coleman had a good rookie year averaging 19.2 ypc, Curtis Samuel is still a very good #3 WR, and at the end of the day they have Josh Allen who raised the level of them all.
So we are just listing anybody as weapons then, huh?
 

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Monster and last full pro day week ahead. Colorado is April 4th. Lets see if we find out anything new.

March 24
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  • Boston College
  • Bowling Green
  • East Carolina
  • Iowa
  • Marshall
  • Miami
  • North Carolina
  • Northern Iowa
  • SMU
  • Toledo
  • UNLV
  • UTSA
March 25
  • Louisville
  • Nebraska
  • N.C. State
  • Texas
  • Tulane
  • UConn
March 26
  • Boise State
  • LSU
  • Navy
  • Ohio State
  • Pittsburgh
  • Virginia Tech
  • Western Kentucky
March 27
  • Florida
  • North Dakota State
  • Notre Dame
  • Texas A&M
  • Villanova

March 28
  • Jacksonville State
  • Maryland
  • Mississippi
  • Penn State
 

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Monster and last full pro day week ahead. Colorado is April 4th. Lets see if we find out anything new.

March 24
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  • Boston College
  • Bowling Green
  • East Carolina
  • Iowa
  • Marshall
  • Miami
  • North Carolina
  • Northern Iowa
  • SMU
  • Toledo
  • UNLV
  • UTSA
March 25
  • Louisville
  • Nebraska
  • N.C. State
  • Texas
  • Tulane
  • UConn
March 26
  • Boise State
  • LSU
  • Navy
  • Ohio State
  • Pittsburgh
  • Virginia Tech
  • Western Kentucky
March 27
  • Florida
  • North Dakota State
  • Notre Dame
  • Texas A&M
  • Villanova

March 28
  • Jacksonville State
  • Maryland
  • Mississippi
  • Penn State
It will be interesting to see if Roushar is at the Texas pro day. That should give us some idea of how they feel about Banks Jr.

LSU and Campbell is the next day.
 

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So we are just listing anybody as weapons then, huh?
I would literally take the Bears situation over all of them excluding QB. I especially appreciate the “Philly” on Noah brown like that’s supposed to help me recognize who tf that is…
 

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I think the Bear would prefer to go DL early this draft and I suspect they would most like a guy that can play DE and move inside to DT on passing downs. Who knows, they may be happy enough at Edge if they think Booker is developing since Odeyingbo can play that dual role... but only if Allen thinks Booker can play situational edge on this team. That said we also need a stout 3 tech type to bolster the line. Like the guys we have well enough but we need another with a faster get off or if one of the guys we have go down.

I don't think the Bear do much at OL unless somebody drops in their lap. RB will be in the mix for both a lead back to replace Swift in a year (or less if they like one early) and a grader for short yardage late.

Imagine if the Bear go Jeanty in one and trade Swift for a pick or move up..

Lets hope this staff has as much of a clue as hoped. It makes drafts better if coordinators are versatile enough to optimize the talent available as opposed to needing perfect fits for a rote system. The drafts become closer to BPA type selections as needs become less great.
 

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As I addressed with bama... That is debatable. Ceedee Lamb & Dak Prescott alone are both much better than DJ Moore and Caleb. Dowdle and Swift is a wash. Kmet and Ferguson.. again not much difference..

IF Odunze becomes what we hope he will AND Caleb takes the huge step we are expecting... Maybe then we can say the Bears are better but definitely not at this point.

Still, what's with targeting the low hanging fruit teams instead of the actual top 10 teams talent which was the point of the comment??
Yeah this isn't even worth debating with you because you've hit the denial stage to where you start twisting anything you can to convince yourself you're right on this.
 

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First I never said the Cowboys or Chargers were a top 10 offense, secondly the key word I used was ARGUABLY.
Justin Herbert is a major part of the playmaker equation. Ladd Mcconkey just had a season that puts him on equal footing to DJ Moore. Quentin Johnston in year two suddenly had 8 TD's and 700 yards which puts him right in line with what Odunze had.

JK Dobbins/Gus Edwards = Swift/Roschon, I'd expect them to add a TE in the draft and suddenly the only real difference is Herbert -vs- Caleb for which team has the better playmakers. I can do the same thing for the Texans and Cowboys which both currently have much better QB's, equal or better WR and RB's... again that's the point in it being arguably.

Regardless, the question is whether the Bears are somehow set on playmakers when those playmakers are compared to the top 10 in the NFL, not the teams the Bears "might" have the advantage.
I’m not talking about the QB’s.
First I never said the Cowboys or Chargers were a top 10 offense, secondly the key word I used was ARGUABLY.
Justin Herbert is a major part of the playmaker equation. Ladd Mcconkey just had a season that puts him on equal footing to DJ Moore. Quentin Johnston in year two suddenly had 8 TD's and 700 yards which puts him right in line with what Odunze had.

JK Dobbins/Gus Edwards = Swift/Roschon, I'd expect them to add a TE in the draft and suddenly the only real difference is Herbert -vs- Caleb for which team has the better playmakers. I can do the same thing for the Texans and Cowboys which both currently have much better QB's, equal or better WR and RB's... again that's the point in it being arguably.

Regardless, the question is whether the Bears are somehow set on playmakers when those playmakers are compared to the top 10 in the NFL, not the teams the Bears "might" have the advantage.
if only it was as easy as you say it is! Did you know that just because you draft a player it doesn’t mean that player will turn out to be a playmaker in their first year let alone in their career.

Is your point regarding QB’s now or the other skill positions? I thought you were discussing “5 to 7” playmakers for a QB to target? I don’t even know what you are arguing for now. I’m really confused as to what your point is. Is your point that Caleb isn’t as good as Herbert, Mahomes, Dak in his 1st year? I’m pretty sure everyone knows that.

Also Dobbins is currently not on an NFL roster as well as Edwards
 

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