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It will be interesting to see if Roushar is at the Texas pro day. That should give us some idea of how they feel about Banks Jr.

LSU and Campbell is the next day.

Yeah, I'm looking forward to anything that might affect the top 10.
Does Campbell get his arms remeasured.
What does Walker run and look like. He s/b the top edge guy for a 3-4 team. Williams will also be on display.
Jeanty running.
Texas is always fun with Banks, Barron and Golden.
Ward throwing today.
Really, the last of any new info until draft week when pundits get leaks from the league.
 

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I think the Bear would prefer to go DL early this draft and I suspect they would most like a guy that can play DE and move inside to DT on passing downs. Who knows, they may be happy enough at Edge if they think Booker is developing since Odeyingbo can play that dual role... but only if Allen thinks Booker can play situational edge on this team. That said we also need a stout 3 tech type to bolster the line. Like the guys we have well enough but we need another with a faster get off or if one of the guys we have go down.

I don't think the Bear do much at OL unless somebody drops in their lap. RB will be in the mix for both a lead back to replace Swift in a year (or less if they like one early) and a grader for short yardage late.

Imagine if the Bear go Jeanty in one and trade Swift for a pick or move up..

Lets hope this staff has as much of a clue as hoped. It makes drafts better if coordinators are versatile enough to optimize the talent available as opposed to needing perfect fits for a rote system. The drafts become closer to BPA type selections as needs become less great.
 

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As I addressed with bama... That is debatable. Ceedee Lamb & Dak Prescott alone are both much better than DJ Moore and Caleb. Dowdle and Swift is a wash. Kmet and Ferguson.. again not much difference..

IF Odunze becomes what we hope he will AND Caleb takes the huge step we are expecting... Maybe then we can say the Bears are better but definitely not at this point.

Still, what's with targeting the low hanging fruit teams instead of the actual top 10 teams talent which was the point of the comment??
Yeah this isn't even worth debating with you because you've hit the denial stage to where you start twisting anything you can to convince yourself you're right on this.
 

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First I never said the Cowboys or Chargers were a top 10 offense, secondly the key word I used was ARGUABLY.
Justin Herbert is a major part of the playmaker equation. Ladd Mcconkey just had a season that puts him on equal footing to DJ Moore. Quentin Johnston in year two suddenly had 8 TD's and 700 yards which puts him right in line with what Odunze had.

JK Dobbins/Gus Edwards = Swift/Roschon, I'd expect them to add a TE in the draft and suddenly the only real difference is Herbert -vs- Caleb for which team has the better playmakers. I can do the same thing for the Texans and Cowboys which both currently have much better QB's, equal or better WR and RB's... again that's the point in it being arguably.

Regardless, the question is whether the Bears are somehow set on playmakers when those playmakers are compared to the top 10 in the NFL, not the teams the Bears "might" have the advantage.
I’m not talking about the QB’s.
First I never said the Cowboys or Chargers were a top 10 offense, secondly the key word I used was ARGUABLY.
Justin Herbert is a major part of the playmaker equation. Ladd Mcconkey just had a season that puts him on equal footing to DJ Moore. Quentin Johnston in year two suddenly had 8 TD's and 700 yards which puts him right in line with what Odunze had.

JK Dobbins/Gus Edwards = Swift/Roschon, I'd expect them to add a TE in the draft and suddenly the only real difference is Herbert -vs- Caleb for which team has the better playmakers. I can do the same thing for the Texans and Cowboys which both currently have much better QB's, equal or better WR and RB's... again that's the point in it being arguably.

Regardless, the question is whether the Bears are somehow set on playmakers when those playmakers are compared to the top 10 in the NFL, not the teams the Bears "might" have the advantage.
if only it was as easy as you say it is! Did you know that just because you draft a player it doesn’t mean that player will turn out to be a playmaker in their first year let alone in their career.

Is your point regarding QB’s now or the other skill positions? I thought you were discussing “5 to 7” playmakers for a QB to target? I don’t even know what you are arguing for now. I’m really confused as to what your point is. Is your point that Caleb isn’t as good as Herbert, Mahomes, Dak in his 1st year? I’m pretty sure everyone knows that.

Also Dobbins is currently not on an NFL roster as well as Edwards
 

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I would literally take the Bears situation over all of them excluding QB. I especially appreciate the “Philly” on Noah brown like that’s supposed to help me recognize who tf that is…
First of all when we talk about weapons that usually means everyone on offense but the QB and OL. When we say weapons it means weapons for the QB so he threw a little twist in it there. We have better weapons than the Cowboys and the Chargers. Now would i love to have C.Lamb and L.McConkey? Of course i would but i like the whole group of weapons we have over just having a great WR (talking about Lamb)to go with average to good weapons to go with that one great WR.
 

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First of all when we talk about weapons that usually means everyone on offense but the QB and OL. When we say weapons it means weapons for the QB so he threw a little twist in it there. We have better weapons than the Cowboys and the Chargers. Now would i love to have C.Lamb and L.McConkey? Of course i would but i like the whole group of weapons we have over just having a great WR (talking about Lamb)to go with average to good weapons to go with that one great WR.
I think that's limiting. Does anyone think JF or guys like Lamar or Josh Allen are not considered weapons. Even Hurts. These guys are more than distributors and force D's to change scheme for them. O course that works better when the O can use it's other weapons to take advantage but they are clearly more than facilitators.
 

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The Draft Network just posted their latest mock. I don’t like it.

"10. Chicago Bears​

Shemar Stewart, EDGE, Texas A&M

Bringing in Grady Jarrett was a good start to improving the defensive line, and I hope he can return to his previous form. However, Montez Sweat could use a running mate opposite him in Chicago. Shemar Stewart has all the traits, power, and athleticism to be a dominant player in the NFL.

23. Green Bay Packers​

Emeka Egbuka, WR, Ohio State

Green Bay has attempted to piece the wide receiver position together over the past few seasons, but inconsistency and lack of development have hampered the results for Jordan Love and Co. Emeka Egbuka is a skilled player who can play multiple receiver positions, possesses a high football IQ to win in various ways, and is a tough player to bring down after the catch.

24. Minnesota Vikings​

Kelvin Banks Jr., OL, Texas

The J.J. McCarthy Era has begun in Minnesota, and while Christian Darrisaw should be able to return and play left tackle for them, it's never a bad idea to have options. Kelvin Banks Jr. could compete at left guard right away for the Vikings while possibly becoming the future right tackle with Brian O'Neill entering his 30s.

28. Detroit Lions​

Mike Green, EDGE, Marshall

There are off-field concerns surrounding Mike Green that could cause him to fall on draft night. If a team has done their due diligence and comes away confident in the player and their process, they'll be getting an immediate impact pass rusher. The Lions have been searching for a running mate for Aidan Hutchinson, and Green would be a great fit on the opposite side."

 

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I think that's limiting. Does anyone think JF or guys like Lamar or Josh Allen are not considered weapons. Even Hurts. These guys are more than distributors and force D's to change scheme for them. O course that works better when the O can use it's other weapons to take advantage but they are clearly more than facilitators.
Welp good thing for this convo is none of those QB's/Teams were brought up in the OP. LOL
 

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I think that's limiting. Does anyone think JF or guys like Lamar or Josh Allen are not considered weapons. Even Hurts. These guys are more than distributors and force D's to change scheme for them. O course that works better when the O can use it's other weapons to take advantage but they are clearly more than facilitators.
That could be the case but the poster was originally talking about WR/TE’s and then threw in the QB to the argument, thus moving the goalposts. Bears obviously aren’t drafting a QB this year so it means little to this argument.
 

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The Draft Network just posted their latest mock. I don’t like it.

"10. Chicago Bears​

Shemar Stewart, EDGE, Texas A&M

Bringing in Grady Jarrett was a good start to improving the defensive line, and I hope he can return to his previous form. However, Montez Sweat could use a running mate opposite him in Chicago. Shemar Stewart has all the traits, power, and athleticism to be a dominant player in the NFL.

23. Green Bay Packers​

Emeka Egbuka, WR, Ohio State

Green Bay has attempted to piece the wide receiver position together over the past few seasons, but inconsistency and lack of development have hampered the results for Jordan Love and Co. Emeka Egbuka is a skilled player who can play multiple receiver positions, possesses a high football IQ to win in various ways, and is a tough player to bring down after the catch.

24. Minnesota Vikings​

Kelvin Banks Jr., OL, Texas

The J.J. McCarthy Era has begun in Minnesota, and while Christian Darrisaw should be able to return and play left tackle for them, it's never a bad idea to have options. Kelvin Banks Jr. could compete at left guard right away for the Vikings while possibly becoming the future right tackle with Brian O'Neill entering his 30s.

28. Detroit Lions​

Mike Green, EDGE, Marshall

There are off-field concerns surrounding Mike Green that could cause him to fall on draft night. If a team has done their due diligence and comes away confident in the player and their process, they'll be getting an immediate impact pass rusher. The Lions have been searching for a running mate for Aidan Hutchinson, and Green would be a great fit on the opposite side."

Would be a dangerous decision by Poles and one he couldn't blame on Ben Johnson or Dennis Allen if it was a bust of a draft pick.
 

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Pro Football Network has a new 7 rounder.

"10) Chicago Bears​

Will Campbell, OT, LSU​

The Chicago Bears revamped the interior of their offensive line in the offseason, but they did not make any upgrades at tackle. That could be viewed as a vote of confidence in Braxton Jones and Darnell Wright from Ben Johnson or an indictment of the offensive tackle talent available in free agency.

The Bears can address the offensive tackle position in the 2025 NFL Draft with Will Campbell, who projects as a potential starting left tackle from Day 1. Campbell would enter training camp as immediate competition for both Jones and Wright. At worst, he will be a high-level backup in 2025 and a succession plan for Jones when he moves on as a free agent next year.

39) Chicago Bears​

Omarion Hampton, RB, North Carolina​

There’s been plenty of talk about Ben Johnson reshaping the Bears’ running back room. Johnson leaned on a two-back system in Detroit, and Omarion Hampton could fill a similar role in Chicago. Hampton is a three-down back with upside as both a runner and receiver. He could sneak into the first round if a team falls in love with his skill set, but if not, he’s a strong pick early on Day 2.

41) Chicago Bears​

Xavier Watts, S, Notre Dame​

There’s debate over how high safety ranks on the Bears’ priority list, but with Kevin Byard aging and Jaquan Brisker dealing with injuries, adding depth makes sense. Watts has versatility — he can contribute as a slot corner while waiting for a starting safety role to open up.

72) Chicago Bears​

Kyle Kennard, EDGE, South Carolina​

The Bears’ depth chart at EDGE looks top-heavy with Dayo Odeyingbo and Montez Sweat. Behind them, there is certainly room for improvement, both in terms of a rotational role player and a high-level backup to cover either role in case of injury.

Kyle Kennard can disrupt passing games with his skills as a pass rusher. He is more of a speed rusher than a power rusher, and that presents issues against more nimble offensive linemen who can match his movements and shut him down. It also presents an issue against the run, but that is an area he can look to develop once he gets to the NFL and starts working with strength and conditioning coaches.

148) Chicago Bears
Jeffrey Bassa, LB, Oregon

233) Chicago Bears
Brandon Crenshaw-Dickson, OT, Florida

240) Chicago Bears
Max Brosmer, QB, Minnesota"

 

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Would be a dangerous decision by Poles and one he couldn't blame on Ben Johnson or Dennis Allen if it was a bust of a draft pick.
I agree it would be dangerous. A good leader never looks to blame any teammates or subordinates.
 

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That could be the case but the poster was originally talking about WR/TE’s and then threw in the QB to the argument, thus moving the goalposts. Bears obviously aren’t drafting a QB this year so it means little to this argument.
Sure but the comment was vs a generalization. Context matters but you don't get to change back and forth between specifics and generalization as is convenient and it was a generalization that I responded to. I would also describe a QB's ability to see the field or ability to read as a weapon. A deep ball may be a weapon etc, What I responded to was a limiting generalization.

Not on either side of the ongoing argument.
 

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Pro Football Network has a new 7 rounder.

"10) Chicago Bears​

Will Campbell, OT, LSU​

The Chicago Bears revamped the interior of their offensive line in the offseason, but they did not make any upgrades at tackle. That could be viewed as a vote of confidence in Braxton Jones and Darnell Wright from Ben Johnson or an indictment of the offensive tackle talent available in free agency.

The Bears can address the offensive tackle position in the 2025 NFL Draft with Will Campbell, who projects as a potential starting left tackle from Day 1. Campbell would enter training camp as immediate competition for both Jones and Wright. At worst, he will be a high-level backup in 2025 and a succession plan for Jones when he moves on as a free agent next year.

39) Chicago Bears​

Omarion Hampton, RB, North Carolina​

There’s been plenty of talk about Ben Johnson reshaping the Bears’ running back room. Johnson leaned on a two-back system in Detroit, and Omarion Hampton could fill a similar role in Chicago. Hampton is a three-down back with upside as both a runner and receiver. He could sneak into the first round if a team falls in love with his skill set, but if not, he’s a strong pick early on Day 2.

41) Chicago Bears​

Xavier Watts, S, Notre Dame​

There’s debate over how high safety ranks on the Bears’ priority list, but with Kevin Byard aging and Jaquan Brisker dealing with injuries, adding depth makes sense. Watts has versatility — he can contribute as a slot corner while waiting for a starting safety role to open up.

72) Chicago Bears​

Kyle Kennard, EDGE, South Carolina​

The Bears’ depth chart at EDGE looks top-heavy with Dayo Odeyingbo and Montez Sweat. Behind them, there is certainly room for improvement, both in terms of a rotational role player and a high-level backup to cover either role in case of injury.

Kyle Kennard can disrupt passing games with his skills as a pass rusher. He is more of a speed rusher than a power rusher, and that presents issues against more nimble offensive linemen who can match his movements and shut him down. It also presents an issue against the run, but that is an area he can look to develop once he gets to the NFL and starts working with strength and conditioning coaches.

148) Chicago Bears
Jeffrey Bassa, LB, Oregon

233) Chicago Bears
Brandon Crenshaw-Dickson, OT, Florida

240) Chicago Bears
Max Brosmer, QB, Minnesota"

I think these will start getting better after this week's round of Pro days as personnel people and talking heads cross paths and some of the top players actually work out.

That said, I don't hate it.
 

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I think these will start getting better after this week's round of Pro days as personnel people and talking heads cross paths and some of the top players actually work out.

That said, I don't hate it.
Every pick fills a need with a good prospect. Personally, I’d like all of the top four picks to go to the trenches but I would not pass on Hampton if he was there at 39.
 

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39) Chicago Bears

Omarion Hampton, RB, North Carolina​

There’s been plenty of talk about Ben Johnson reshaping the Bears’ running back room. Johnson leaned on a two-back system in Detroit, and Omarion Hampton could fill a similar role in Chicago. Hampton is a three-down back with upside as both a runner and receiver. He could sneak into the first round if a team falls in love with his skill set, but if not, he’s a strong pick early on Day 2.
Unfortunately, I think there's absolutely no chance Hampton falls this far.

I think Jeanty is 100% gone by 12 and I think Hampton is probably gone by 25. I actually strongly feel Jeanty won't be on the board at 10 for the Bears to consider... which will probably drive up Hampton's value to a mid round pick.
 

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Unfortunately, I think there's absolutely no chance Hampton falls this far.

I think Jeanty is 100% gone by 12 and I think Hampton is probably gone by 25. I actually strongly feel Jeanty won't be on the board at 10 for the Bears to consider... which will probably drive up Hampton's value to a mid round pick.
Yes, I can’t imagine him available at 39 as well.
 

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Biggs says he doesn’t think you can play Membou at LT.

I think Biggs might be @Xplosive. He loves Tyler Warren.

There’s actually some intelligent draft talk in this segment.
 
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