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[Gustavus Adolphus]

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Which lucky guy is fucking you in the ass tonight?

Pussy.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

@run and shoot

Who do you want to start at LT this season, and can you give the reasons why?

 

[playthrough2001]

It's getting harder for incoming players to push back against the draft

Caleb Williams considered it.

www.nbcsports.com

 

[remydat]

At the time you said why would the bears have borom risk re-injury. You're grasping at straws.

It was obvious that the 3rd round pick coming off of a major injury that played lesser competition in college and was not physically ready after missing all off season and camp to be starting at the LT position.

Even though Borom was ass you take that over the aforementioned player

No you are confused. Borom was not activated off off IR/PUP so my point at the time was that obviously the coaches didnt think he was healthy/in game shape.

I am now saying that in hindaight they were 100% correct. A healthy Borom gave up 7 sacks in 219 snaps and was on pace to give up 20 sacks if he played a full season. So I can only imagine what a rusty and still not fully healthy Borom would have done.

Kiran gave up 1 sack/QB hit in 61 pass block snaps. That works out to 3.6 sacks/QB hits over Borom's 219 snaps.

So you guys are complaining that a healthy Kiran was terrible and ignoring that a healthy Borom was actually worse and Borom was rusty and not necessarily healthy at the time.

I dont know why you would chose the 7 sacks and 2 QB hits in 219 opportunities over the guy who projects to 3.6 sacks/QBs over those same 219 opportunities. That is basically saying you preferred Caleb getting hit 5.4 extra times.

 

[Canth]

I found a youtube of Kiran's snaps vs Washington. It wasn't good, but it was not as bad I as I remembered either. The interior was the bigger issue and all of those guys have now been replaced.

 

[remydat]

I found a youtube of Kiran's snaps vs Washington. It wasn't good, but it was not as bad I as I remembered either. The interior was the bigger issue and all of those guys have now been replaced.

This whole argument is wild to me. Kiran played week 8 and gave up 0 sacks 0 hits and 4 hurries against a Commanders D that had up 52 sacks and 50 QB hits on the season.

Borom played the following week after an extra week of rest and gave up 3 sacks and 4 hurries against a Cards team that had just 44 sacks and 36 hits.

So why would playing Borom a week earlier been better? The record shows that one week later when he was likely more healthy, in better game shape and playing a lesser pass rush he had an absolutely disastrous performance far worse than Kiran. He gave up just as many hurries but 3 more sacks.

It is like people are ignoring how trash Borom actually was. However bad you think Kiran was the reality is Borom was almost twice as bad.

 

[Canth]

This whole argument is wild to me. Kiran played week 8 and gave up 0 sacks 0 hits and 4 hurries against a Commanders D that had up 52 sacks and 50 QB hits on the season.

Borom played the following week after an extra week of rest and gave up 3 sacks and 4 hurries against a Cards team that had just 44 sacks and 36 hits.

So why would playing Borom a week earlier been better? The record shows that one week later when he was likely more healthy, in better game shape and playing a lesser pass rush he had an absolutely disastrous performance far worse than Kiran. He gave up just as many hurries but 3 more sacks.

It is like people are ignoring how trash Borom actually was. However bad you think Kiran was the reality is Borom was almost twice as bad.

I will never understand why Flus wanted to keep Chris Morgan as his OL coach. I don't think I have ever seen so many OL clearly coached to have no fucking awareness of what is going on around them - missed stunts, blocking space and letting guys run by them, blocking each other, double or triple teaming while letting by a free runner, etc.

 

[playthrough2001]

I found a youtube of Kiran's snaps vs Washington. It wasn't good, but it was not as bad I as I remembered either. The interior was the bigger issue and all of those guys have now been replaced.

I posted that video earlier today in this thread. His play at Washington really wasn’t bad at all especially considering the circumstances.

Now his start in Minnesota was rough.

 

[Canth]

I posted that video earlier today in this thread. His play at Washington really wasn’t bad at all especially considering the circumstances.

Now his start in Minnesota was rough.

Lol, my bad. I missed that

 

[Aquineas]

This whole argument is wild to me. Kiran played week 8 and gave up 0 sacks 0 hits and 4 hurries against a Commanders D that had up 52 sacks and 50 QB hits on the season.

Borom played the following week after an extra week of rest and gave up 3 sacks and 4 hurries against a Cards team that had just 44 sacks and 36 hits.

So why would playing Borom a week earlier been better? The record shows that one week later when he was likely more healthy, in better game shape and playing a lesser pass rush he had an absolutely disastrous performance far worse than Kiran. He gave up just as many hurries but 3 more sacks.

It is like people are ignoring how trash Borom actually was. However bad you think Kiran was the reality is Borom was almost twice as bad.

Borom was not good. I'm happy he's moved on. I'm hoping Kiran improves, and he should get a season, maybe two at max to show it. If not, then I hope he moves on too. I'm done supporting players if they can't play. And in that same vein, C'ya Tyler Scott.

 

[playthrough2001]

Borom was not good. I'm happy he's moved on. I'm hoping Kiran improves, and he should get a season, maybe two at max to show it. If not, then I hope he moves on too. I'm done supporting players if they can't play. And in that same vein, C'ya Tyler Scott.

Scott’s best bet this season looks like WR 6.

Right now, I think the WR room would be ranked like this:

1. Moore
2. Odunze
3. Burden
4. Oz
5. Duvernay
6. Scott or Boykin

 

[playthrough2001]

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[Aquineas]

Scott’s best bet this season looks like WR 6.

Right now, I think the WR room would be ranked like this:

1. Moore
2. Odunze
3. Burden
4. Oz
5. Duvernay
6. Scott or Boykin

I'm a sucker for speed and have been jones'in for Tyler Scott because he's got explosive speed that isn't really matched (aside from from Dubernay, who's obviously a new addition). But there was a game I saw him in last season and I don't remember if it was pre-season or regular-season when he literally got knocked down at the line before he even started his route. I'm willing to wait and see what he does with a new coaching staff through the pre-season, but after two years with no injuries (that I can recall anyway), if you can't dress on game day, can't play special teams, then there's no reason for you to be on the team. He's had two full seasons now to show something.

The Bears need more deep speed at the WR position. You need someone there to keep safeties honest, otherwise if you don't have someone who can run by them, they'll either double your other receivers or they'll cheat the line, neither of which you want to happen.

 

[playthrough2001]

@Aquineas

Here are the 40 times for the top 7 WRs on the Bears:

1. Moore 4.42
2. Odunze 4.45
3. Burden 4.41
4. OZ 4.49
5. Duvernay 4.39
6. Scott 4.44
7. Boykin 4.42

 

[--CyBear--]

Seriously, I'm not kidding.

Can anyone remember a time in which @run and shoot has actually taken a stance on something football related?

Dude accuses everyone else as being trolls, but I've literally never seen run and shit take a stance on a player/coach/actual football thought.

Always plays the victim.

Aggressively, while constantly changing context. 1st to profile and 1st to deny

If Eddie George had any nuts/ integrity.....he'd have told the Bears to go do a sham / fake interview with someone else.

Effectively called George an Uncle Tom and then did the same dance around as here. To be honest, he can call George whatever he wants as long as cops to it but nope. Denied and in his unique fashion, aggressively turtled around for pages instead of owning it, just like here. Most judgmental poster on this board while whining to mods and dancing around issues he creates instead of addressing them head on.

Stand back for more broken links and out of context arguments. Hard to believe he works that hard to accomplish nothing but showing himself to be disingenuous.

 

[--CyBear--]

Borom was not good. I'm happy he's moved on. I'm hoping Kiran improves, and he should get a season, maybe two at max to show it. If not, then I hope he moves on too. I'm done supporting players if they can't play. And in that same vein, C'ya Tyler Scott.

I remember when he was the darling of this board while an oft disparaged Jenkins with 1/2 a spine looked better any time he limped onto the Field.

 

[Aquineas]

I remember when he was the darling of this board while an oft disparaged Jenkins with 1/2 a spine looked better any time he limped onto the Field.

I was pulling for him, but I honestly was just happy at that point to see linemen drafted. You could have told me that the Bears drafted Mrs Doubtfire and I'd have pulled for him.

 

[Aquineas]

@Aquineas

Here are the 40 times for the top 7 WRs on the Bears:

1. Moore 4.42
2. Odunze 4.45
3. Burden 4.41
4. OZ 4.49
5. Duvernay 4.39
6. Scott 4.44
7. Boykin 4.42

There's a difference between acceleration vs velocity. 40 measures quickness (acceleration), which is certainly important for routes in the first 12 yards. Long-speed is more of a velocity thing. To gauge velocity if there aren't nex-gen (mph) stats published, I look for three things:
1. 100m time
2. K/O return average.
3. Average yards per reception

Technically Odunze has a better 100m than Tyler Scott, but I don't see that speed on the field. I'm not saying Odunze won't be a great receiver because there's no doubt in my mind he's going to be a #1 receiver in this league. But he doesn't look as fast as Tyler Scott does on the field, despite having a faster100m time. Do you see how nobody closes any ground on Tyler Scott on this catch?

You can also see how fast a guy is by watching how he "runs the angles." If you can beat someone who has the angle on you for a tackle, then that also something to watch. It's one of the reasons I wanted Jimmy Horn Jr (unfortunately drafted by Carolina; Carolina is quietly building a very good team). Anyway, watch the play at about :26:

 

[dennehy]

Which lucky guy is fucking you in the ass tonight?

Pussy.

He's probably the worst poster on this site, and that is saying something.

 

[msadows]

There's a difference between acceleration vs velocity. 40 measures quickness (acceleration), which is certainly important for routes in the first 12 yards. Long-speed is more of a velocity thing. To gauge velocity if there aren't nex-gen (mph) stats published, I look for three things:
1. 100m time
2. K/O return average.
3. Average yards per reception

Technically Odunze has a better 100m than Tyler Scott, but I don't see that speed on the field. I'm not saying Odunze won't be a great receiver because there's no doubt in my mind he's going to be a #1 receiver in this league. But he doesn't look as fast as Tyler Scott does on the field, despite having a faster100m time. Do you see how nobody closes any ground on Tyler Scott on this catch?

You can also see how fast a guy is by watching how he "runs the angles." If you can beat someone who has the angle on you for a tackle, then that also something to watch. It's one of the reasons I wanted Jimmy Horn Jr (unfortunately drafted by Carolina; Carolina is quietly building a very good team). Anyway, watch the play at about :26:

It doesnt look like rome is fast on the field because he has much larger strides than scott. This is a big reason why @ILoveDick is stupid and thinks rome is slow

He is actually pretty fast.

Ideally they should have gotten a 4.3 burner in FA, because that guy currently aint on the roster.