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Lesser to you, we all dont think a super senior tight end is a cant miss prospect.

I'd easily rather have membou or will campbell over him, and Jalon Walker, Mykel Williams, Mason Graham over Warren/Jeanty
And Mykel Williams is likely the only player of that group to be available - and think he has a high bust rate, and maybe Campbell, but you can fight the T-Rex crowd I'm bored with it.
 

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This table doesn’t even estimate Jeanty at 6. For the life of me, I can see how a majority of Raiders fans think a RB is good in that spot. OT seems so obvious to me.

Warren’s would also look rough if adjusted. I don’t think his open market value is anything close to 20 million.
 

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And Mykel Williams is likely the only player of that group to be available - and think he has a high bust rate, and maybe Campbell, but you can fight the T-Rex crowd I'm bored with it.

The T-Rex crowd is fixated on wanting to address the Ol while ignoring reality. Campbell is simply not an NFL LT. Not only has there never been a pro bowl LT with a 77 inch wingspan, there’s currently NOT EVEN ONE STARTING LT with that measurement. NOT ONE. Stop the fucking will Campbell madness already.

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The T-Rex crowd is fixated on wanting to address the Ol while ignoring reality. Campbell is simply not an NFL LT. Not only has there never been a pro bowl LT with a 77 inch wingspan, there’s currently NOT EVEN ONE STARTING LT with that measurement. NOT ONE. Stop the fucking will Campbell madness already.

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I can acknowledge the fact that he would be an outlier and it's a risk taking outliers, and not a good practice to do regularly. Can you acknowledge that many good evaluators believe Campbell can be a plus starting LT and there's a chance they are right and you are wrong?
 

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I can acknowledge the fact that he would be an outlier and it's a risk taking outliers, and not a good practice to do regularly. Can you acknowledge that many good evaluators believe Campbell can be a plus starting LT and there's a chance they are right and you are wrong?

There’s always that chance of course. I just think betting on a guy to be the first and only outlier at his position is extremely stupid….and it’s not like his tape is even amazingly great either. It’s good…it’s fine….but it’s not “All pro LT” great…combine that with his arm length and wingspan measurements, it’s clear as day to me he’s not going to play LT in the NFL.

Can I be wrong? Of course, but I feel strongly about my opinion and will stand by it until proven otherwise.
 

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There’s always that chance of course. I just think betting on a guy to be the first and only outlier at his position is extremely stupid….and it’s not like his tape is even amazingly great either. It’s good…it’s fine….but it’s not “All pro LT” great…combine that with his arm length and wingspan measurements, it’s clear as day to me he’s not going to play LT in the NFL.

Can I be wrong? Of course, but I feel strongly about my opinion and will stand by it until proven otherwise.
Fair enough, and the concerns are real. I just think that any OL at 10 comes with a high risk they are not a starting LT, so then focus elsewhere. Campbell to me has elite feet and traits that could make him a plus starting LT, and a floor of a plus guard. All that being said doesn't sound like the best plan at 10. This is a weird draft to be at 10, and I am not comfortable with any edge or DL to be significantly better than round 2 prospects. Jalon Walker is the exception but I don't think he makes it to 10.
 

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There’s always that chance of course. I just think betting on a guy to be the first and only outlier at his position is extremely stupid….and it’s not like his tape is even amazingly great either. It’s good…it’s fine….but it’s not “All pro LT” great…combine that with his arm length and wingspan measurements, it’s clear as day to me he’s not going to play LT in the NFL.

Can I be wrong? Of course, but I feel strongly about my opinion and will stand by it until proven otherwise.
Who do you want at 10?
 

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Fair enough, and the concerns are real. I just think that any OL at 10 comes with a high risk they are not a starting LT, so then focus elsewhere. Campbell to me has elite feet and traits that could make him a plus starting LT, and a floor of a plus guard. All that being said doesn't sound like the best plan at 10. This is a weird draft to be at 10, and I am not comfortable with any edge or DL to be significantly better than round 2 prospects. Jalon Walker is the exception but I don't think he makes it to 10.

I think it's jumping the gun to say Campbell has the floor of a plus guard. First, he's never played the position. Beyond that, he has an extremely high stance that he'll have to completely rework transitioning to guard. Could he transition well? Sure, but it's a huge question mark. Not all OTs could just become good guards and you see examples of it failing all the time. Keep coming back to it, but Peter Skoronski is a prime example and is basically the Will Campbell of this draft. Although again, I think Skoronski had better tape, technique, and was the better prospect overall.

I do agree it's 100% a weird draft. I want to trade down but I don't know why any team would trade up. Walker is an interesting evaluation because he's more of an undersized tweener. Those guys are risky...I don't have a concrete opinion on him one way or the other. Although, if I had to pick a defensive player at 10, and Graham were gone, I'd probably pick Mike Green.
 
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Im wondering If James Pierce Jr and Mike Green are too small for Dennis Allen's defense. Any have knowledge on that?
 

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He had 6 catches for 75 yards against ND. That's still very good for a player that was being game planned against.

If he were on the Bears teams would be hard pressed to stop both him and Kmet in the red zone. Too many are worried about not using Kmet instead of realizing that Warren makes Kmet's job easier.
You didn’t watch the game did you, you are just quoting box scores? ND’s game plan is to blitz and leave the secondary on islands. They didn’t change that other than moving Watts from CF to more man coverage.
 

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It was locked up before today.
Browns/Giants just can't pass up Carter/Hunter after their recent QB miscues.
Looks like Rodgers is going to Pitt so I don't see anyone trading up ahead of the Saints and the Saints just may pass on him too.
I can see a possible Brady Quinn like drop.
Only 1 QB in the top 9 would be a bummer, probably takes away any LT possibility.
This time of year, it is all smokescreen and misdirection for these GMs. Still expect Sanders to go in top three.
 

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Im wondering If James Pierce Jr and Mike Green are too small for Dennis Allen's defense. Any have knowledge on that?

He would very likely want them both to add some weight, especially Pearce. That said, they're too good of rushers to turn up your nose at. Talent is talent, and not everyone is going to fit your perfect prototype. If you can't make it work, that's on you. I believe Khalil Mack was 255 when Allen was with the Raiders, and obviously that worked out pretty good. Green I believe is 250 and Pearce 245, so they will likely have to put on 5-10 pounds.
 

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don't know who this dude is and didn't listen but I did scroll across his list and I half ass expect either Hampton/Johnson at 10 much to the chagrin of CCS. I'm in the camp that Carter/Hunter go 2/3 forcing the Pats to take Campbell who are desperate for a LT and also think the Raiders take Jeanty. Hampton/Johnson are both top 10-15 prospects across all boards and can add immediate starting impact from day 1. Heck, if Will has a great private workout, he could go top 10.

I think the Giants are taking Sanders.

Dart to New Orleans would be a fantastic Hail Mary for the Bears.
 
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Have you ever watched Warren play? Kmet is a terrible comp. Warren is way more dynamic in every aspect of his game. You can not want to draft a TE at 10, there's arguments for that, but Warren is a very very good prospect.
Or is Warren just a one-year wonder, you also have to factor that in.
 

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Or is Warren just a one-year wonder, you also have to factor that in.
Nothing on his tape suggest that. Try watching the PSU offense and QB play a couple years ago and come back to me.

He was also a high school QB, and they moved him to fullback his freshman year. Context matters in these discussions.
 

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This time of year, it is all smokescreen and misdirection for these GMs. Still expect Sanders to go in top three.
I laughed at the overreactions by some because of what BJ said about certain players. It’s almost as if people were expecting him to say “this prospect sucks/is great and we won’t be drafting/will be drafting him?”
 

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What? I have no idea what some of you are watching if you think Warren isn't athletic or elusive. He is one of the better YAC TE's to come out in a while. His zone route running and RAC are exactly what Ben Johnson talks about loving. It is what he does with Laporta and St. Brown.
Not trying to bust Warrens chops but is he a luxury pick in a year when the Bears still have to build out from the trenches.
 
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don't know who this dude is and didn't listen but I did scroll across his list and I half ass expect either Hampton/Johnson at 10 much to the chagrin of CCS. I'm in the camp that Carter/Hunter go 2/3 forcing the Pats to take Campbell who are desperate for a LT and also think the Raiders take Jeanty. Hampton/Johnson are both top 10-15 prospects across all boards and can add immediate starting impact from day 1. Heck, if Will has a great private workout, he could go top 10.
I can't recall seeing Hampton as high as Top 15, let alone 10-15, and I have absolutely not heard anyone discuss Johnson in terms of even a sure first rounder, let alone Top 10-15.

At 39 or 41 I hope for a better back than Johnson, of which there should be a few. At 10, my dick would be totally ripped off.
 

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I laughed at the overreactions by some because of what BJ said about certain players. It’s almost as if people were expecting him to say “this prospect sucks/is great and we won’t be drafting/will be drafting him?”
Wait until they discover the guy across the poker table isn't entirely open about his hand.
 

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