Official NFL Draft Thread - Bear Fans Only

[Wild_x_Card]

This team solely lacks actual game wreckers on both sides of the ball. They have exactly ZERO on the current roster as it stands. Moore is the closest thing they have. Maybe a few of the young guys can develop into that but it's still wishful thinking at this point.

They SHOULD be targeting a player with game wrecking potential on either side of the ball. All this pining for one specific position on here is comical and shortsighted.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

This team solely lacks actual game wreckers on both sides of the ball. They have exactly ZERO on the current roster as it stands. Maybe a few of the young guys can develop into that but it's still wishful thinking at this point.

They SHOULD be targeting a player with game wrecking potential on either side of the ball. All this pining for one specific position on here is comical and shortsighted.

Yeah pining for trenches is comical and short sighted.

 

[bamainatlanta]

Ross Tucker dropped a Jason Peters comp for Membou…..

I also read Terron Armstead too. I’m tired of watching awful OL play.

 

[Wild_x_Card]

Yeah pining for trenches is comical and short sighted.

I won't be upset if they draft in the trenches at all. But that's not the end all be all. Find me a Superbowl team in the past 25 years that didn't have absolute dogs somewhere on the roster that could change games. Mack was the last one Chicago has had and that was forever ago now and it's pathetic.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

I won't be upset if they draft in the trenches at all. But that's not the end all be all. Find me a Superbowl team in the past 25 years that didn't have absolute dogs somewhere on the roster that could change games. Mack was the last one Chicago has had and that was forever ago now and it's pathetic.

Who is the “dog” available at 10?

 

[Wild_x_Card]

Who is the “dog” available at 10?

Who says they're staying at 10?

 

[Xplosive]

The Bears have a good TE now and can add one in the draft if they want, without using a highly valuable draft pick.

Maybe I am predisposed to thinking TEs are harder to project. Sure Bowers excelled, as we expected. But Kyle Pitts went #4 and is hardly ever heard from. HOF TE's have been drafted in the middle rounds with some regularity.

Hard, hard pass on using #10 on Warren. There are few ways the Bears can go at #10 that would upset me, but that is the clear #1 for me.

EDIT: "Middle rounds" may not be accurate, but after the first round anyway.

The modern NFL offense can use more than one TE in the passing game, so there is room for Warren on the game day roster and both can be on the field at the same time.

That can't be said for OT/OG because if you draft those positions they can't be used at the same time as the players we currently have. So drafting Cambell/Banks/Membou means they are paying someone to only sit on the bench.

The DE position has the most money invested on the entire roster. Just because fans don't believe Dayo will be good, it doesn’t mean the Bears will invest even more top line money into that position by using #10 there.

DT is the deepest position in the draft and the Bears will be easily able to take one at #39 or #41.

Warren may or may not be the choice but if they do take him at #10, it does make a lot of sense.

 

[dabears70]

Gronk could block DEs 1 on 1 if needed. Warren's arm length makes that a real challenge for him. Gronks versatility as a blocker opened things up scheme was with him on the field.

I think a better comp for Warren if he hits his ceiling is kittle. Although kittle is still a far superior blocker and creates better separation. But the physicality in run after the catch has a similarity.

Yeah Gronk is the obvious better blocker which is why i didn't compare the two, i was just commenting on you saying Warren was a average blocker saying i think he's better than average at blocking.

 

[TL1961]

And none of them can point to a starting LT with a 77 inch wingspan in the NFL or any past example of a LT with a 77 inch wingspan ever making the pro bowl, yet alone all pro. Those experts are essentially betting and selling everyone on will Campbell being the first and only outlier at the position. If they want to take that bet, more power to them. I wouldn’t bet 10 bucks on it, yet alone the 10th overall pick.

Yes, certainly. I fully understand your hesitation in drafting an outlier when there are no other examples of an OT with arms that short. I get that.

But the fact that many analysts are not shying away from drafting him is due to a) belief he can be the exception, and more importantly b) they feel he'd be a great guard. That's an important factor.

You mentioned that it's not automatic a college T can just become a guard - again, I agree. But in this specific case, it seems he's projected at least as a top guard and unlike many other college OTs this year being projected to be guards, some feel he's good enough to be that exception.

I think if he had played G in college and was projected as a great prospect at G in the NFL, he'd be talked about in the 20 range of the first. So you're gambling with a higher pick on that LT possibility. But you're not using #10 on LT or bust.

 

[Beast15]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1908570194361876589

We should take him at 10

 

[bamainatlanta]

The modern NFL offense can use more than one TE in the passing game, so there is room for Warren on the game day roster and both can be on the field at the same time.

That can't be said for OT/OG because if you draft those positions they can't be used at the same time as the players we currently have. So drafting Cambell/Banks/Membou means they are paying someone to only sit on the bench.

The DE position has the most money invested on the entire roster. Just because fans don't believe Dayo will be good, it doesn’t mean the Bears will invest even more top line money into that position by using #10 there.

DT is the deepest position in the draft and the Bears will be easily able to take one at #39 or #41.

Warren may or may not be the choice but if they do take him at #10, it does make a lot of sense.

Johnson had one of the most “modern” nfl offenses yet TE #2 had a grand total of 16 targets on the year(I believe, could be wrong). The modern nfl offense wouldn’t use 2 TE’s that are similar. They would use one like Warren or Kmet to go along with Fannin/Arroyo. Pats used 2 TE’s Gronk & Hernandez but those 2 TE’s are completely different, one being alive and the other 6 feet under.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

Who says they're staying at 10?

Just give some names or this is a pointless conversation

 

[bamainatlanta]

Just give some names or this is a pointless conversation

David Montgomery

 

[baredown]

Some fun from the last draft…

The Bears get the TE @ILoveDick covets!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1907872105858728299

Interesting thing in this video. Right after Tennessee keeps their pick and spends it on Latham, Poles asks "what's the percentage?". The response from one of back rows is "77% Rome will be there". That almost has to be some type of real-time analytics. It shouldn't be surprising that teams might incorporate some form of real-time analytics during the draft, particularly in the top half of round one. But it would be curious to knowing what data they base their analytics on. While they have their own player rankings, they have zero idea about other teams rankings. I suppose they could include on-site visit and combine interview patterns. Maybe something on historical position selection patterns of other teams. Anyway, it's sort of fascinating to imagine how data analytics might be creeping into NFL draft day decision making...

Also humorous how Flus has basically been cut out of the video. Feels a little like the old Soviet Union, where dis-reputed party members simply disappeared from pictures...

 

[dabears70]

Nah, we need a rookie TE with a similar skillset of our current fringe top 10 TE we didnt use last year

/s

These dummies dont realize rookie TE's usually struggle and suck. Cole is going to put up a pro bowl level year in ben johnsons scheme.

You could have put brock bowers on the bears last year and it wouldnt have made a difference if he's not schemed for or targeted.


We're also one injury on the OL away from putting in bates or kiran again and being in the same situation as last year.
If kmet or one of rome/dj go down the offense can still function, if braxton or thuney go down its going to be a long season.

Who's these dummies? I've only seen one person on here that wants the Bears to draft Warren at #10 which is @Xplosive. I just think it's funny that you and some there's don't think Warren will be a great TE in the NFL. Over the years many TE's take time to develop but if Warren goes to right situation he will thrive as a rookie. Not all take time which has been very clearly shown over the last couple of years.

 

[thenewguy]

I’d rather take a stab at Green or even Membou(who has never played LT) than to take Warren. Or a BPA like Johnson or Walker if available.

Green has 2 sexual assault allegations and isn't a typical Dennis Allen edge. Do you really think the Bears would pick him? And where will you play Membou? You're good with him sitting or displacing Wright?

 

[dabears70]

Yes I watched him play. I watched when ND switched to Watts in single coverage on him and he couldn’t get open. He struggled against an unathletic Jack Kiser too. Taking a “very good” TE at #10 is the reason not to take him. I was impressed with his ability to beat the zone coverage in that game though. He couldn’t shake Watts in that game. That’s very telling.

Watts is a borderline 1st round pick so it's not like he was being covered by a bum.

 

[Enasic]

Yes, certainly. I fully understand your hesitation in drafting an outlier when there are no other examples of an OT with arms that short. I get that.

But the fact that many analysts are not shying away from drafting him is due to a) belief he can be the exception, and more importantly b) they feel he'd be a great guard. That's an important factor.

You mentioned that it's not automatic a college T can just become a guard - again, I agree. But in this specific case, it seems he's projected at least as a top guard and unlike many other college OTs this year being projected to be guards, some feel he's good enough to be that exception.

I think if he had played G in college and was projected as a great prospect at G in the NFL, he'd be talked about in the 20 range of the first. So you're gambling with a higher pick on that LT possibility. But you're not using #10 on LT or bust.

Yes, "experts" are claiming that Campbell would be fine at LT despite the arm length/wingspan, and if not, hell, just play him at OG. That's fine if that's their opinion, I just couldn't disagree more. Not only is his wingspan short for OT standards, it's actually short for OG standards too. His wingspan is 77 3/8....the average wingspan for an OT is 82 inches. That's a 5 inch disparity...that's fucking huge. The average wingspan for an OG? 79 inches...he falls short of that mark too. Furthermore, experts have talked about his stance and how it would be a HUGE adjustment for him to transition to OG.

Again, I keep going back to Peter Skoronski who was every bit of the prospect Campbell is, and IMO, was better. His technique and feet were every bit as good if not better.

Peter Skoronski:

Arm Length: 32 1/4
Wingspan: 79 1/2

Will Campbell:

Arm Length: Somewhere between 32 5/8 - 33
Wingspan: 77 3/8

How's Skoronski doing in the NFL? He's playing mediocre footbal (at best) at LG two seasons in. "Experts" are wrong all the time, every year, about countless prospects. Typically, they either ignore measurements, or put too much stock into measurements. In this case, I think ignoring the wingspan and arm length is foolish considering there are ZERO NFL examples you can point to at LT. So yeah, if these "experts" want to ignore that, my prediction is they are going to be proven wrong.

Ironically enough, I was in the camp of thinking the measurement stuff was overblown. I was a HUGE Skoronski fan coming out. I thought man, this dude has flawless technique, he's strong, he has great feet....but he couldn't cut it in the NFL because of his physical limitations. There's a reason why there are zero examples of a player overcoming that at LT...it's because it's incredibly important. Betting on a guy to be the first and only outlier is a bad bet, it just is...and banking on him to become a great OG isn't realistic either. He's never played the position before, his wingspan is still below average for it, and he will have to majorly adjust his stance. Why not just draft a proven OG prospect in the 2nd round? There will be a lot, and they will likely be better OGs in the NFL than Will Campbell.

 

[Xplosive]

Johnson had one of the most “modern” nfl offenses yet TE #2 had a grand total of 16 targets on the year(I believe, could be wrong). The modern nfl offense wouldn’t use 2 TE’s that are similar. They would use one like Warren or Kmet to go along with Fannin/Arroyo. Pats used 2 TE’s Gronk & Hernandez but those 2 TE’s are completely different, one being alive and the other 6 feet under.

The Lions other TE was a UDFA and primarily a blocking TE. So are you saying Johnson failed to properly use him?

Ben Johnson runs a variant of the offense that the Patriots run. *Spoiler alert* NE was known to successfully use two TE's in their offense.

 

[TL1961]

The modern NFL offense can use more than one TE in the passing game, so there is room for Warren on the game day roster and both can be on the field at the same time.

That can't be said for OT/OG because if you draft those positions they can't be used at the same time as the players we currently have. So drafting Cambell/Banks/Membou means they are paying someone to only sit on the bench.

The DE position has the most money invested on the entire roster. Just because fans don't believe Dayo will be good, it doesn’t mean the Bears will invest even more top line money into that position by using #10 there.

DT is the deepest position in the draft and the Bears will be easily able to take one at #39 or #41.

Warren may or may not be the choice but if they do take him at #10, it does make a lot of sense.

We all understand that more than one TE makes the roster. And a 2nd TE will be used more than a 6th WR, but the point was that the Bears don't have a huge hole at TE that needs to be filled at #10.