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Not sure why we are even talking about the drAft when we don't even know when it is tbh
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As much as people will panic, I do think Campbell is as safe a pick as they come at 10, which is a good thing. If he doesn't pan out at LT, then you likely have a great guard. Thorn does see him as a Pro Bowl caliber guard (link below). If a guy like Stewart or Mykel bust, we have nothing.
In the short term, we can't rely on Kiran. I think Campbell would give us some wiggle room to feel confident we can weather injuries or a lack of development elsewhere (Kiran). I know the other argument is you don't take a guy at 10 to not start, but the only guy we take at 10 that would easily win starter reps would be a RB. None of the edges are good enough to definitely displace Dayo... unless Mason falls, probably none of the DTs either. A guy like Campbell can be insurance for Braxton/Kiran, an aging Thuney, and an injury prone Jackson. Odds are we need a guy to step up on the OL.
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Nate Solder 35.5
Matt Light 33.5
Trent Brown 36
Sebatian Vollmer 33.25
Marcus Cannon 34
Isaiah Wynn (actually a G pretty bad at T) 33.4
Michael Onwenu 34.4
I think those are all the guys who were starters at T for NE from 2010 to 2022. Nick Kaczur did have shorter arms (32.9), he was the RT for a few years in the 00s. That is pretty in line with NFL average overall though.
I think of arm length as a sliding scale. The lower you get past about 33.5, the fewer you see until it basically goes to zero for good starting OTs around 32.75. There are guys who can play very well at 33, but lower than that it becomes very difficult because being able to get into a guys chest, to keep his hands off you, is really important to winning one on one battles. It's just like any other measurement or metric, there is a certain point it become tough to be good (just like quickness, bend, etc), but you have to take it into along with other traits. Arm length is just easier to measure than those other things.
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That’s why I’d love to see them walk away with Banks Jr., Campbell, or Membou. All three of those guys can be viewed in a similar fashion in relationship to the Bears.
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Part of me thinks that if Campbell is the #1 offensive lineman on their board, and he's there, just take him. But realistically, if his arms aren't long enough to compete with NFL Edge rushers, and he has to move to guard, when is he useful to the Bears? Without an injury or some other benching, probably not for at least 1 or 2 seasons. That's not an ideal situation for a guy that you picked at #10. If that situation played out, that pick would be highly scrutinized.
At that point, just take Banks or Membou if they have them similarly graded, and they're dead set on taking offensive line. Maybe they could avoid all that and take an Edge if their guy is there. I think with how free agency played out, they do have a bit more flexibility to take their BPA. Hopefully that's what they do.
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I’ve preferred Banks Jr. all along. I don’t want to depend on Jones being healthy and possibly having a hole next to Thuney.
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I've been in the same boat. Campbell concerns me. It seems to be that Banks is a left tackle. Campbell COULD be a left tackle, but history isn't on his side due to his arm length.
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I honestly don't think 1/4 or 3/4 of an inch will make a difference if you have great technique. If it was like THREE inches, maybe, seems like so many other variables could make that tiny fraction unimportant.
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Then some people won't like this pro comp.............Braxton Jones. Coming out of college, great athleticism, imposing size but an underdeveloped FCS player.
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It’s what a fresh drafted kid is supposed to say. I get it. But it’s still funny due to how it transpired.
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All fair points and they didn't go below 33 very often,
Here's a good take from Dante Scarneccia in relation to Campbell.
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I think he's a really good prospect, not sure about OT though. And there really isn't anywhere to put him next year if he's not LT. I'd prefer someone who will make an impact next year at 10, but if they draft him I'm confident that they will get a good player.
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I’m so f’n sick of the arm length discussion every single year
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I think you just said it here yourself..................The only we take at 10 that would easily win starter reps would be a RB. With a top 10 pick I would think the Bears will want to bring someone who can be plug and play, not a backup on the OL. At the very least on the defensive side that first round DT/DE if that is the choice would be a solid contributor to the rotation since Allen loves to use 6 or 7 defensive linemen.
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Its a question mark at tackle but so will every lineman taken in the first. Campbell seems to be a sure thing and plus starter at guard if he can't play tackle. I don't even care if he sits for a year, they will find a place eventually. Three bears starters missed time last year and Thuney isnt young. They need real depth. I guarantee Campbell would be better at swing than Borum and anything they e marched out recently. I'm fine if they prefer Membou. We should find out soon enough what this coaching staff likes in their tackle evaluations.
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Arm length and any discussion about a player's "motor" are the most nauseating parts of this time of the year.
Not quite as useless, but still overrated...40 yard dash time. I can tell more about a football player from things like their vertical or working the cones than that super basic track and field work.
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You must have short arms!
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if Poles takes Shemar Stewart I am done on him. He already way overpaid for body type with lack of production, I dont need him to then double down on exact same guy just younger with even less production