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Was Anthony Munoz white?

CHECKMATE!

There are many others. Joe Thomas was a star. I bet Daniel thinks our very own Jimbo Covert was a bust too. His race argument is ridiculous but he knows that and that is why he refuses to address the question.

I remember the year the f'ing Packers drafted Clifton (LT) in the 2nd and Tauscher (RT) in the 7th and both started and we're bookends for years. Crazy that they were both white too.
 

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Ersery would have been a great pick. At least you're getting an athlete and the guy who completely wiped out Abdul Carter in their head to head matchup.

Mike Green the NCAA sack leader with 17 sacks who dominated Ozzy Trapilo during Senior Bowl practices would have been a great pick.

Trapilo is not a great pick and calling him a great pick is exactly the Bears fluffy soft hyperbole I'm talking about.
 

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Why is it such a big deal to talk about them in terms of who is the better prospect?

Suddenly we can't talk about them in terms of prospects just talk about them after week 18.
The second I make my argument clear ya'll move the goal posts.

Go ahead and make the argument about why the Bears needed another WR.

Make the argument about why they passed on Mike Green when yet another potential great defensive player fell in their lap.

Make the argument about why Trapilo is a better prospect than Ersery.

Then tell me why it's so unreasonable to be critical of Ryan Poles when you look at the points I've made.

Do you only want to hear one opinion that you agree with?

Why is it okay to pass on guys with character concerns but it's to run up to the podium to draft guys with injuries?

I think it’s reasonable to talk about who’s the better prospect in real time, as the weeks progress, as long as you stay consistent and provide context of why a guy is good. Dont be lazy and point at stats, tell us how they are put in a position to succeed.

The double dipping at WR continues to make no sense, and when holes show in this team, probably at the edge rusher position--you ridicule the gluttony of riches at pass catcher and realize while its nice to be deep there, the game is not won and lost in the secondary. Furthermore, it makes Poles/Ben look like hypocrites when he got hired and they say "Ben can get the most out of guys, he'll tailor his system to the player's talents and not the other way around." Somehow that turned into: "Well Ben needs HIS guys." Drafting WR4 at 39 overall is entirely fair game to ridicule, and I will join anybody in doing so. It was completely fucking stupid to do that.

I liked Mike Green too, and I get passing on him. 2 sexual assault charges in a short period of time, leading to him having to transfer from Virginia to Marshall is a hard sell, even to the McCaskeys--who have taken chances before on bad apples.

I'm annoyed that edge got ignored in the draft. Makes me hypothesize with Grady Jarrett being the 3T, what he made a career of being great in Atlanta doing before they switched to a 3-4 and his production dropped because he got moved out to 5T, which are entirely different roles, despite the need of obtuse fans to say 'bUt HeS a DeFeNsIvE tAcKlE, wHatS tHe DiFfErEnCe' and Shemar Turner backing him up, which Dennis Allen confirmed he's DT in his system. Dexter is the odd man out, and he hasn't been very consistent thus far. He's lost weight because the team told him to, and he's 6'6, the kind of height and length Dennis Allen loves in his edge rushers. The only other reasonable, and grotesque option is that Poles is waiting for a camp cut in a month and a half or so from now. Makes no sense for a team to trade anybody when players report to camp in a month/little less than a month.

Ersary was a good prospect, too, but he had flaws, and it's not terribly difficult to figure out why the bears said 'no thanks' and took Ozzie instead. Ben Johnson was consistent both at the presser introducing Thuney/Jarrett/Jackson that he wants smart/high IQ OL who can do multiple things in multiple sets and can identify defensive line formations/twists/stunts, which the bears were straight garbage at a year ago. Ozzie's scouting report described his instincts as elite in this regard, while Ersary, according to NFLDraftbuzz.com's scouting report: Complex blitz packages and delayed stunts can give him trouble, suggesting he'll need time to adjust to NFL-level protection schemes

Ersary also has problems where he whiffs on blocks in pass protection, really big turn off there. This isn't the B1G where he can get away with a bad DE from the Northwesterns or Rutgers of the conference, but can't do that with Rashan Gary, Hutch, or Van Ginkel/Greenard. Now obviously, Ozzie's bend affecting his run blocking at the pro level along with occasional slow/heavy hands are something he's got to clean up and should be critiqued accordingly should he suck, but you can't say he didn't make sense based off of the benefit of the doubt the new HC gets before week 1. He's communicated what he's wanted and got it. As long as I don't ever have to see Kiran again, I like the Ozzie pick.

I will always hate drafting preinjured players. AC Joint is a tough one, as it connects the clavicle to to the shoulder blade. Ease Loveland in, get him some reps, especially mid-late season where he'll have fresher legs while you get the most out of/beat up the 7th highest paid TE in the league. Next year, Loveland's expectations are to take TE1 away from the 7th highest paid TE in the league, and to make his salary go away so the saved money can be spent on something important for contention.

 

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I think it’s reasonable to talk about who’s the better prospect in real time, as the weeks progress, as long as you stay consistent and provide context of why a guy is good. Dont be lazy and point at stats, tell us how they are put in a position to succeed.

The double dipping at WR continues to make no sense, and when holes show in this team, probably at the edge rusher position--you ridicule the gluttony of riches at pass catcher and realize while its nice to be deep there, the game is not won and lost in the secondary. Furthermore, it makes Poles/Ben look like hypocrites when he got hired and they say "Ben can get the most out of guys, he'll tailor his system to the player's talents and not the other way around." Somehow that turned into: "Well Ben needs HIS guys." Drafting WR4 at 39 overall is entirely fair game to ridicule, and I will join anybody in doing so. It was completely fucking stupid to do that.

I liked Mike Green too, and I get passing on him. 2 sexual assault charges in a short period of time, leading to him having to transfer from Virginia to Marshall is a hard sell, even to the McCaskeys--who have taken chances before on bad apples.

I'm annoyed that edge got ignored in the draft. Makes me hypothesize with Grady Jarrett being the 3T, what he made a career of being great in Atlanta doing before they switched to a 3-4 and his production dropped because he got moved out to 5T, which are entirely different roles, despite the need of obtuse fans to say 'bUt HeS a DeFeNsIvE tAcKlE, wHatS tHe DiFfErEnCe' and Shemar Turner backing him up, which Dennis Allen confirmed he's DT in his system. Dexter is the odd man out, and he hasn't been very consistent thus far. He's lost weight because the team told him to, and he's 6'6, the kind of height and length Dennis Allen loves in his edge rushers. The only other reasonable, and grotesque option is that Poles is waiting for a camp cut in a month and a half or so from now. Makes no sense for a team to trade anybody when players report to camp in a month/little less than a month.

Ersary was a good prospect, too, but he had flaws, and it's not terribly difficult to figure out why the bears said 'no thanks' and took Ozzie instead. Ben Johnson was consistent both at the presser introducing Thuney/Jarrett/Jackson that he wants smart/high IQ OL who can do multiple things in multiple sets and can identify defensive line formations/twists/stunts, which the bears were straight garbage at a year ago. Ozzie's scouting report described his instincts as elite in this regard, while Ersary, according to NFLDraftbuzz.com's scouting report: Complex blitz packages and delayed stunts can give him trouble, suggesting he'll need time to adjust to NFL-level protection schemes

Ersary also has problems where he whiffs on blocks in pass protection, really big turn off there. This isn't the B1G where he can get away with a bad DE from the Northwesterns or Rutgers of the conference, but can't do that with Rashan Gary, Hutch, or Van Ginkel/Greenard. Now obviously, Ozzie's bend affecting his run blocking at the pro level along with occasional slow/heavy hands are something he's got to clean up and should be critiqued accordingly should he suck, but you can't say he didn't make sense based off of the benefit of the doubt the new HC gets before week 1. He's communicated what he's wanted and got it. As long as I don't ever have to see Kiran again, I like the Ozzie pick.

I will always hate drafting preinjured players. AC Joint is a tough one, as it connects the clavicle to to the shoulder blade. Ease Loveland in, get him some reps, especially mid-late season where he'll have fresher legs while you get the most out of/beat up the 7th highest paid TE in the league. Next year, Loveland's expectations are to take TE1 away from the 7th highest paid TE in the league, and to make his salary go away so the saved money can be spent on something important for contention.



Mike Green was facing sexual assault allegations not charges. There's a big difference between charges and allegations. If he was facing charges from both incidents hell no would he be on my draft board. He was faced with allegations cleared in both instances by law enforcement and is facing no charges. That's the key to all of this with Green, people somehow have gone from allegations to he was formally charged.
 

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Horrible athlete? I think that's a bit of a stretch. He has an RAS of 9.00—that's pretty good.

You know who is a horrible athlete? The slowest white fullback in the draft he wanted us to draft - Cam skooterbooter

Trapilo is somehow a terrible athlete but basically ran the same 10 yard split as a top 5 pick.

He also ran a faster 3 cone and short shuttle than ersery. I guess daniel expects ozzy to be running 40 yard dashes regularly in the NFL. Those two drills are a lot more dependent on agility and change of direction, two things that matter a lot more to an OT

Daniel again speaking out his ass like the dumb **** he is
 

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You know who is a horrible athlete? The slowest white fullback in the draft he wanted us to draft - Cam skooterbooter

Trapilo is somehow a terrible athlete but basically ran the same 10 yard split as a top 5 pick.

He also ran a faster 3 cone and short shuttle than ersery. I guess daniel expects ozzy to be running 40 yard dashes regularly in the NFL. Those two drills are a lot more dependent on agility and change of direction, two things that matter a lot more to an OT

Daniel again speaking out his ass like the dumb **** he is
Who wanted Cam? I certainly didn't. What I heard about RB was trying to move up to get Jeanty and then Henderson in the 2nd.

For all of the doom and gloom, pessimists out there, why live in all of that anger and frustration? Why not try something different—embrace the decisions and climb on the bandwagon. It's a lot more fun.

Believe me, I get the hesitation, we've all been Charlie Brown to Lucy and that football, for so MANY years. But contemplate this—

• Ben was one of, if not the biggest and best, coaching moves made. The signing was universally seen as a major positive.
• Caleb came out of school as one of the best QBs in this class. He had a GOOD rookie year.
• One of our biggest problems was the OL, and we made MAJOR moves, some calling this the best off-season for any team.
• Our draft netted some highly touted players in Loveland, Burden, and Ozzy. IMO, all three were BPA and fit this scheme.
• Trust that Ben knows what he's doing.
• We also got a ton of OTHER great coaches—Allen on DEF alone was a HUGE move.
• Speaking of which, I think our DEF is improved. Yes, we need another elite DE across from Sweat. But VG acquisitions/draft picks IMO.
• Know that this team is not done. Perfection is the enemy of GOOD. This team is MUCH improved.

Those are all positives. I expect a great year. The ONLY thing that worries me is the SOS. 9-8 would be a major success IMO.
 

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Who wanted Cam? I certainly didn't. What I heard about RB was trying to move up to get Jeanty and then Henderson in the 2nd.

For all of the doom and gloom, pessimists out there, why live in all of that anger and frustration? Why not try something different—embrace the decisions and climb on the bandwagon. It's a lot more fun.

Believe me, I get the hesitation, we've all been Charlie Brown to Lucy and that football, for so MANY years. But contemplate this—

• Ben was one of, if not the biggest and best, coaching moves made. The signing was universally seen as a major positive.
• Caleb came out of school as one of the best QBs in this class. He had a GOOD rookie year.
• One of our biggest problems was the OL, and we made MAJOR moves, some calling this the best off-season for any team.
• Our draft netted some highly touted players in Loveland, Burden, and Ozzy. IMO, all three were BPA and fit this scheme.
• Trust that Ben knows what he's doing.
• We also got a ton of OTHER great coaches—Allen on DEF alone was a HUGE move.
• Speaking of which, I think our DEF is improved. Yes, we need another elite DE across from Sweat. But VG acquisitions/draft picks IMO.
• Know that this team is not done. Perfection is the enemy of GOOD. This team is MUCH improved.

Those are all positives. I expect a great year. The ONLY thing that worries me is the SOS. 9-8 would be a major success IMO.

Daniel is in love with Cam mostly because he's white and went to arizona state. He completely ignores the fact he's basically a fullback and was far and away the slowest RB in this draft class.

I agree with you, this offseason is the brightest outlook for the bears in quite a while but @DanielCCSBears went from being the biggest meatball homer on here to being the biggest doom and gloomer. Maybe its because he always has to be on the opposite side of the general consensus of this board

I'd be happy to see them win 8 or 9 games as long as caleb looks like he's going to be a franchise player. Thats really all that matters to me this year, if they got their QB that is the hack to be a good team every year. Many of these playoff teams still have major holes but they are hidden due to elite QB play
 

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Daniel is in love with Cam mostly because he's white and went to arizona state. He completely ignores the fact he's basically a fullback and was far and away the slowest RB in this draft class.

I agree with you, this offseason is the brightest outlook for the bears in quite a while but @DanielCCSBears went from being the biggest meatball homer on here to being the biggest doom and gloomer. Maybe its because he always has to be on the opposite side of the general consensus of this board

I'd be happy to see them win 8 or 9 games as long as caleb looks like he's going to be a franchise player. Thats really all that matters to me this year, if they got their QB that is the hack to be a good team every year. Many of these playoff teams still have major holes but they are hidden due to elite QB play
In fairness, I would have been ok with Cam bc of my desire for football players and not workout guys. That’s not me shitting on the evaluation process for anyone, but in the 5th round I think it should be different.


As far as the “doom and gloom,” well I think we know why Daniel hates Ryan Poles.
 

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Mike Green was facing sexual assault allegations not charges. There's a big difference between charges and allegations. If he was facing charges from both incidents hell no would he be on my draft board. He was faced with allegations cleared in both instances by law enforcement and is facing no charges. That's the key to all of this with Green, people somehow have gone from allegations to he was formally charged.
Didn’t Tucker just get suspended for allegations, not charges? And if you have 2 prior to being drafted, it’s just a risk I wouldn’t be willing to take either.

Do I think he’s innocent? Most likely. But 2 allegations prior to 23 years old… no thanks.
 

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Didn’t Tucker just get suspended for allegations, not charges? And if you have 2 prior to being drafted, it’s just a risk I wouldn’t be willing to take either.

Do I think he’s innocent? Most likely. But 2 allegations prior to 23 years old… no thanks.
Once could be anything but twice is more than a coincidence. Plus, he’s 6’ 3”, 248 lbs so he’s not the ideal fit for DA.

Also, he was a one year wonder that played at Marshall. He didn’t do anything his first two college seasons.
 

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A Boston College writer boosting up a Boston College prospect...
Who works for SI. SI > CCS message board poster.

Mike Green was facing sexual assault allegations not charges. There's a big difference between charges and allegations. If he was facing charges from both incidents hell no would he be on my draft board. He was faced with allegations cleared in both instances by law enforcement and is facing no charges. That's the key to all of this with Green, people somehow have gone from allegations to he was formally charged.

He was not cleared of anything. The cops elected not to pursue the case. They did not clear or declare him innocent.
 
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Who works for SI. SI > CCS message board poster.



He was not cleared of anything. The cops elected not to pursue the case. They did not clear or declare him innocent.
He doesn't work for SI. SI aggregates content just like CCS does. It's like Yardbarker.
 

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