- Joined:
- Jan 4, 2011
- Posts:
- 47,380
- Liked Posts:
- 36,400
- Location:
- Chicago
is @Visionman gonna do this for the next 20 pages?
Last edited:
- Joined:
- Sep 15, 2012
- Posts:
- 60,988
- Liked Posts:
- 39,293
Racist and privilege are two different things. Just because you don't want it to be racist or privileged doesn't mean it isn't.
How about you continue to believe it isn't racist or privileged and Pride and I can think it is possibly racist or privileged. To each his own right?
JoJoBoxer
Well-known member
- Joined:
- Aug 14, 2010
- Posts:
- 12,366
- Liked Posts:
- 7,599
Why?
Have you forgotten that Lovie specifically said that Illinois was his final coaching gig? Well, he used other words, but he said that.
So why should a liar deserve a better team?
- Joined:
- Aug 21, 2012
- Posts:
- 29,629
- Liked Posts:
- 24,178
- Location:
- USA
I don't you need to prove because I never claimed McCown wasn't a candidate.
You said Flore was correct. Flores said he would have won the job if it wasn't for the lawsuit.
That second part is what I was claiming as bullshit. There was no guarantee that Flores would have gotten it, and Flores was an asshole for claiming as such and throwing Lovie under the bus.
Dejo
Godfather of FTO
- Joined:
- Apr 4, 2011
- Posts:
- 16,507
- Liked Posts:
- 20,174
My favorite teams
- Joined:
- Sep 15, 2012
- Posts:
- 60,988
- Liked Posts:
- 39,293
Say what now? I presume he said it was his last job because he would have been content to remain there but in the end he was fired.
Dejo
Godfather of FTO
- Joined:
- Apr 4, 2011
- Posts:
- 16,507
- Liked Posts:
- 20,174
My favorite teams
JoJoBoxer
Well-known member
- Joined:
- Aug 14, 2010
- Posts:
- 12,366
- Liked Posts:
- 7,599
Well, I only care where Deion Sanders coaches because it is where Walter Payton played, Jackson State.
Dejo
Godfather of FTO
- Joined:
- Apr 4, 2011
- Posts:
- 16,507
- Liked Posts:
- 20,174
My favorite teams
Dejo
Godfather of FTO
- Joined:
- Apr 4, 2011
- Posts:
- 16,507
- Liked Posts:
- 20,174
My favorite teams
JoJoBoxer
Well-known member
- Joined:
- Aug 14, 2010
- Posts:
- 12,366
- Liked Posts:
- 7,599
He was saying that he was going to hang up the spurs and go to pasture after Illinois, again not in those words, but the idea was there.
He should have been a man of his word and stayed out of football after sucking at Illinois.
- Joined:
- Sep 15, 2012
- Posts:
- 60,988
- Liked Posts:
- 39,293
You claimed McCown was not a top candidate. Where is your evidence for that?
Flores belief is that the lawsuit changed who they would hire. That is what I said is correct. I then made it clear that my belief was that they would have hired Flores or McCown not Lovie. That is where I differed for Flores
Also by your own logic, you can't claim what he said is BS because you don't know what the Texans told him behind closed doors. If you are going to claim not everything is made public and reported, you have to allow for the possibility that Flores was all but assured the job until the lawsuit. So you are cherry picking when you want to apply the logic of not all info is made public. On one hand you want to speculate that Lovie was interviewed in secret but on the other hand you don't want to allow for the speculation that Flores was all but assured he was the choice. How do you know what they told Flores?
Visionman
Well-known member
- Joined:
- Aug 28, 2017
- Posts:
- 7,995
- Liked Posts:
- 4,723
- Joined:
- Sep 15, 2012
- Posts:
- 60,988
- Liked Posts:
- 39,293
Again was he saying that expecting he would be coaching at Illinois for much longer than 2020. If he thought he would be the coach their until 2030 and was fired then it is quite silly to pretend his statement was under the expectation that he would end his career in 2020.
JoJoBoxer
Well-known member
- Joined:
- Aug 14, 2010
- Posts:
- 12,366
- Liked Posts:
- 7,599
Madden had zero coaching experience when he became the Raiders head coach. Al Davis saw something in him the very first time he met him and eventually, he made Madden the Raiders HC.
Maybe McCown has the IT factor to be a successful HC like Madden was? Probably not, but maybe?
Dejo
Godfather of FTO
- Joined:
- Apr 4, 2011
- Posts:
- 16,507
- Liked Posts:
- 20,174
My favorite teams
JoJoBoxer
Well-known member
- Joined:
- Aug 14, 2010
- Posts:
- 12,366
- Liked Posts:
- 7,599
You are making assumptions like I am.
Since he did not follow his own words and because he sucked as at Illinois, I choose to call him a liar and believe that he does not deserve a better team than the Texans, seeing that he shouldn't deserve being the HC for the Texans either.
Visionman
Well-known member
- Joined:
- Aug 28, 2017
- Posts:
- 7,995
- Liked Posts:
- 4,723
- Joined:
- Sep 15, 2012
- Posts:
- 60,988
- Liked Posts:
- 39,293
Where do you see where I claimed something was racist? I specifically used the words privileged when discussing my actual beliefs. I allowed for the possibility that people are free to consider it racist or privileged when an unqualified white man gets the job over a qualified black man. That was a hypothetical not my actual belief because my actual belief is that he is privileged hence why I sued that term.
It is also weird that when I used the word privilege you immediately assumed racism. You will not note I did not use the term white privilege. I simply said privileged. That was intentional. I did so because there has never been someone previous to McCown in modern NFL history that has gotten HC interviews in successive years despite never actually coaching above the HS level. So by definition he is extremely privileged to be afforded such a one of a kind opportunity. The fact you appeared to have assumed my claim of privilege was tied to race says more about you than it does me.
run and shoot
Well-known member
- Joined:
- Apr 28, 2013
- Posts:
- 16,352
- Liked Posts:
- 4,432
My favorite teams
Members online NOW
- Member
- Admin
- Mod
- Donor
- HOF
Staff online NOW
-
bamainatlantaYou wake him up, you keep him up