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He also won't have Hopkins and who knows if the Browns will change their entire offense for him like Houston did. That said, he's become more natural in the pocket and a better decision maker than Vick ever was. Vick was the better athlete. Certainly lots working against him but plenty of QBs don't get live reps before they show great play. Sitting for a while sure didn't hurt Rodgers, Warner, Gannon or Young. Lots of variables in his preparedness but I wouldn't assume one way or the other.

It's a message board and when I object to another's assumption, I fully expect the argument to turn into me saying that I'm insisting on the opposite of that assumption which is absolutely not the case. I'm simply saying we shouldn't assume poor play on his return.
Only time will tell. Maybe it is wishful thinking on my part, as I think he is a slime bag just like Vick is and wish him failure. I could not care less about his sexual fetish, but just pay someone to do it, don't, as a physically imposing man in a position of power and celebrity, whip your dick out and put a female in an uncomfortable and intimidating position, or worse. Apparently, that is a big part of getting his rocks off though.
 

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These Lambert articles are shit.

Every single one is just a quote pulled from a national media source padded with drivel.

True, the pulled quote is usually interesting. But that's it. Just an interesting quote pulled from someone else's interview.

Every single one could just be a simple tweet without losing any of the content.

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Definition of clickbait

: something (such as a headline) designed to make readers want to click on a hyperlink especially when the link leads to content of dubious value or interest.

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This has been a weird offseason where Bears fans know they weren't good last year, have less talent this year, and then they get mad when people say they're going to be bad. I don't think anyone "wants" the Bears to fail, but there are some that are more interested in being "right" than whatever the actual results are. This has been going on for a few years now, IMO
 

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It's simply too early for any real predictions. Bears now have cap room for a few acquisitions and we have no idea, of the effectiveness of the O scheme, if certain rookies will be able to play or not etc. This roster won't be set until after Sept waivers.
 

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They are using Robert Kraft to argue this. He did not deceive anyone (no unwilling participants in a single instance) and his case was considered entrapped so it was tossed. They're hoping a single alleged $59 tug job will pressure the NFL to not suspend Watson after likely paying millions to keep defendants quiet.

The criminal case against Watson was not pursued either.

I think argument is no criminal case and Watson settled because NFL was draging their feet as he has already missed a year and they would have delayed ruling even further if he did not settle.

So he has a reasonable argument the NFL forced him to settle and like Kraft he is not under criminal investigation anymore.

As for unwilling participants, hard to prove that now if they are under an NDA. All you have now are allegations not subject to cross and for which 2 grand juries declined to pursue.
 
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This has been a weird offseason where Bears fans know they weren't good last year, have less talent this year, and then they get mad when people say they're going to be bad. I don't think anyone "wants" the Bears to fail, but there are some that are more interested in being "right" than whatever the actual results are. This has been going on for a few years now, IMO

Less talent how? It is entirely likely that 2nd year Fields is more talented than 1st year Fields. Or that 3rd year Mooney is more talented than 2nd year Mooney.

I would say this team is more talented because the young guys are a year older and more experienced and we did not really lose anyone that was a game changer last year as A-Rob sucked and Mack was hurt.
 

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Less talent how? It is entirely likely that 2nd year Fields is more talented than 1st year Fields. Or that 3rd year Mooney is more talented than 2nd year Mooney.

I would say this team is more talented because the young guys are a year older and more experienced and we did not really lose anyone that was a game changer last year as A-Rob sucked and Mack was hurt.
We talking about talent or results? Sure Mack was hurt, Hicks was hurt, ARob sucked. Daniels and Peters were mediocre. But 2 of those guys are HOF players, and the other 3 are getting paid big money like talented veterans do.

I actually believe the Bears will win more than the 6 games they won last year. Schedule is huge, obviously, but coaching better, QB should be better, defense has fewer holes overall. I think 2022 Pringle will outproduce 2021 Robinson. LT will be better than Peters whoever it is. Hicks and Mack's actual contribution won't be hard to replace either, but the actual talent level across the board is lesser, IMO.

The amount of salary actually spent on the active roster (excluding dead money toward cap), the actual draft pick capital used to build the team, all says "this is not a hugely talented team".
 

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This has been a weird offseason where Bears fans know they weren't good last year, have less talent this year, and then they get mad when people say they're going to be bad. I don't think anyone "wants" the Bears to fail, but there are some that are more interested in being "right" than whatever the actual results are. This has been going on for a few years now, IMO

I do think at the end of the day, bear writers would rather cover a winning team. More fun in that, but they do need to generate clicks as well.
 

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We talking about talent or results? Sure Mack was hurt, Hicks was hurt, ARob sucked. Daniels and Peters were mediocre. But 2 of those guys are HOF players, and the other 3 are getting paid big money like talented veterans do.

I actually believe the Bears will win more than the 6 games they won last year. Schedule is huge, obviously, but coaching better, QB should be better, defense has fewer holes overall. I think 2022 Pringle will outproduce 2021 Robinson. LT will be better than Peters whoever it is. Hicks and Mack's actual contribution won't be hard to replace either, but the actual talent level across the board is lesser, IMO.

The amount of salary actually spent on the active roster (excluding dead money toward cap), the actual draft pick capital used to build the team, all says "this is not a hugely talented team".

I think the salary actually says a lot of guys on rookie contracts and 1 year deals.

I would also say we are more talented at the postions that matter. Here is where I would say we are clearly more talented.

1. QB - Single most important position so getting better here pretty much makes us more talented than last year almost by itself.

2. CB - Gordon, Young and 2nd year Graham make this way more talented especially if 3rd year JJ also improves.

3. S - Brisker obviously improves this unit and DHC and Hicks look solid as depth.

4. Off Ball LB - Morrow is much better than DT or Ogletree IMO and Quan is Quan.

5. RB - Herbert in his 2nd year and Ebner make this a more talented unit.

Here is where I would say we are clearly worse.

1. IDL - Losing Nicholls and Hicks is a bigger loss than gaining Jones IMO.

2. Edge - Losing Mack and Quinn being a year older are bigger losses than the additions and Gipson going into 3rd year.

And here is where I would say it is a bit up in the air.

1. WR - Only loss was ARob but he sucked last year. I think Pringle, VJJ and others are potentially more talented than just having ARob but it is debatable.

2. TE - 3rd year Kmet is better than 2nd year Kmet and we are deeper. I have this as debatable only because Graham was a TD machine so remains to be seen who can be that RZ TE.

3. OL - Peters had more experience obviously but this is a deeper albeit inexperienced OL. How talented there are will really come down to the rookies and 2nd year Borom and Jenkins. So could go either way.

So I think we improved at 5 positions including the nost important one, got wprse at 2 and 3 can go either way. On balance that adds up to more talent especially if one od the 3 spots up in the air goes our way.
 

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1 billion percent true. Its why I call it "Bears Fear Porn".

They know what gets people to tune in, click on a link, etc.

And its not always the same in every fan base. But for many Bears fans -they are addicted to fear and loathing. And thus give these media personalities, many of whom I believe don't give a shit one way or the other about the Bears but instead are looking for the easiest way to do their jobs, the easy layups they need to get numbers with little effort.

Yeah, the journos who do this are part of the issue, but until fans learn to be smarter and consume better content, these guys are going to keep peddling the bullshit.

In the end - its on the idiot portion of our fandom to stop being idiots and falling for this shit.
 

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I do think at the end of the day, bear writers would rather cover a winning team. More fun in that, but they do need to generate clicks as well.

Agreed on all fronts, but for most, its all disingenuous. Its just a job to them. Easy to write for a winner and fear-pander for a loser. That's why there is no consistency of thought from these idiot reporters from season to season, but just always in the perpetually-outraged now.

Yet for fans that are looking for smart breakdowns, that doesn't sell as easy yet.

I do think that segment IS growing as there are people out there doing better breakdowns and actively loathe the guys who do peddle in the fear porn, but its not enough yet to make the other people change the way they cover the Bears.
 

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The criminal case against Watson was not pursued either.

I think argument is no criminal case and Watson settled because NFL was draging their feet as he has already missed a year and they would have delayed ruling even further if he did not settle.

So he has a reasonable argument the NFL forced him to settle and like Kraft he is not under criminal investigation anymore.

As for unwilling participants, hard to prove that now if they are under an NDA. All you have now are allegations not subject to cross and for which 2 grand juries declined to pursue.
The NFL has not suspended him so not dragging their feet nor forcing him to do anything. Watson would need to take that up with Houston and even then Houston was told he wanted out before sitting him and allowing a trade. Just shitty timing on Watson's part though his contract may say otherwise. NFL has been waiting for results/info before determining how to punish (or not) Watson.
 

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This has been a weird offseason where Bears fans know they weren't good last year, have less talent this year, and then they get mad when people say they're going to be bad. I don't think anyone "wants" the Bears to fail, but there are some that are more interested in being "right" than whatever the actual results are. This has been going on for a few years now, IMO
Overall I think the Bears will be about the same talent wise as they were last year. I think one of the bigger advantages this year compared to last year is they have players that fit the schemes being put in place. The record might be better this year because of the schedule but I think they will look more like a complete team. But they are nowhere ready to compete.
 

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1 billion percent true. Its why I call it "Bears Fear Porn".

They know what gets people to tune in, click on a link, etc.

And its not always the same in every fan base. But for many Bears fans -they are addicted to fear and loathing. And thus give these media personalities, many of whom I believe don't give a shit one way or the other about the Bears but instead are looking for the easiest way to do their jobs, the easy layups they need to get numbers with little effort.

Yeah, the journos who do this are part of the issue, but until fans learn to be smarter and consume better content, these guys are going to keep peddling the bullshit.

In the end - its on the idiot portion of our fandom to stop being idiots and falling for this shit.
It's hard to believe how fucking dumb you are. Maybe if the team was good, there would be more positive content put out. When the team is bad, they write about the product in front of them you dipshit. Sorry there isn't enough puff pieces for you.
 

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I think the salary actually says a lot of guys on rookie contracts and 1 year deals.

I would also say we are more talented at the postions that matter. Here is where I would say we are clearly more talented.

1. QB - Single most important position so getting better here pretty much makes us more talented than last year almost by itself.

2. CB - Gordon, Young and 2nd year Graham make this way more talented especially if 3rd year JJ also improves.

3. S - Brisker obviously improves this unit and DHC and Hicks look solid as depth.

4. Off Ball LB - Morrow is much better than DT or Ogletree IMO and Quan is Quan.

5. RB - Herbert in his 2nd year and Ebner make this a more talented unit.

Here is where I would say we are clearly worse.

1. IDL - Losing Nicholls and Hicks is a bigger loss than gaining Jones IMO.

2. Edge - Losing Mack and Quinn being a year older are bigger losses than the additions and Gipson going into 3rd year.

And here is where I would say it is a bit up in the air.

1. WR - Only loss was ARob but he sucked last year. I think Pringle, VJJ and others are potentially more talented than just having ARob but it is debatable.

2. TE - 3rd year Kmet is better than 2nd year Kmet and we are deeper. I have this as debatable only because Graham was a TD machine so remains to be seen who can be that RZ TE.

3. OL - Peters had more experience obviously but this is a deeper albeit inexperienced OL. How talented there are will really come down to the rookies and 2nd year Borom and Jenkins. So could go either way.

So I think we improved at 5 positions including the nost important one, got wprse at 2 and 3 can go either way. On balance that adds up to more talent especially if one od the 3 spots up in the air goes our way.
We're still toeing the line of talking about talent vs. actual performance.

For example, 2022 Fields isn't more talented than 2021 Fields. He's still the same person. He will probably be a better player than he was with no camp reps, but he's still the same physical talent. The Bears added cheap free agents (those 1 year deals) and 8 of the 11 picks were drafted 2nd half of Day 3.

CB is definitely better. S has more talent. LB is more debatable. Morrow is an upgrade, but the depth is probably worse. RB is iffy as well, as I liked Damien Williams signing, and I'm not an Ebner fan at all.

Again, I fully expect the Bears to be improved from 2021 to 2022, but I think the difference will be in the coaching and scheme fits, rather than the talent. And I fully admit more talent doesn't necessarily mean a better team. Like if the Bears added the same guys Jacksonville did this offseason, I'd think they be a more talented team on paper. But the needle in performance wouldn't be moved all that much.
 

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