***OFFICIAL*** Patrick Mahomes has lost the Super Bowl thread

[Penny Traitor]

Reid and Bieniemy had no answer for their OL deficiencies vs Tampa. It wasn't just the T play, they were obviously at a deficit but were completely outcoached.

Their solution to replacing Fisher was to move the RT to LT, the RG to RT and plug in an inexperienced nobody at RG. That was too much line shuffling before facing that defense. Bowels didn't even have to blitz...that front four just kept abusing the KC OL.

 

[fx1718]

His cap hit next year is 24m ie less than Wentz.

Sorry if you took “soon” as 2021. Im talking about the step to $32m in 2022 and $42m in 2023. Then slowly elevating to $50m.

 

[remydat]

Sorry if you took “soon” as 2021. Im talking about the step to $32m in 2022 and $42m in 2023. Then slowly elevating to $50m.

32 million really isn't that big a deal cap wise as his salary would be 8th in 2022 but yeah 2023 and beyond gets really high but a lot of that will depend on where the cap is at that point as the reality is QB salaries are escalating. All the teams with good QBs will eventually be above 30 million a year most likely unless they are on a rookie contract.

 

[shoez90]

Mahomes looked like how Trubisky does when he goes up against a good D..... no OL will do that to anyone,...though Mahomes has Kelce and Hill .... funny how the excuses roll all the time in both ways from meat head fans

at no time did Mahomes look identical to MT. He made some throws no other QB could do but couldn't catch them too. He played harder hurt than MT did fresh and he did it in bounds. He didn't win but he tried his ass off

 

[fx1718]

32 million really isn't that big a deal cap wise as his salary would be 8th in 2022 but yeah 2023 and beyond gets really high but a lot of that will depend on where the cap is at that point as the reality is QB salaries are escalating. All the teams with good QBs will eventually be above 30 million a year most likely unless they are on a rookie contract.

Agreed its not a ton in the grand scheme but even $25m in 2021 is 5 times his current contract and $20m less than they had to spend in 2020 with a lower cap.

 

[shoez90]

Sorry if you took “soon” as 2021. Im talking about the step to $32m in 2022 and $42m in 2023. Then slowly elevating to $50m.

Could be restructured but we see.

 

[puckthefackers]

It’s cray how bad Mahommes looks when OL sux. Chicago Bears bad. Dude should of had like 7 INTs just chucking the ball blindly. He made for a rather boring SB

 

[Bearly]

We already know the answer is no as he failed twice against the Giants pass rush. This was literally the best passh rush performance in SB history.



It seems KC expected Bowles being Bowles to blitz more leaving less guys in coverage. By contrast Bowles went against his nature and decided he could get pressure without blitzing leaving 7 guys in coverage.



Yeah, 4M gets pressure 10 times in a game and his apologists blame the OL. Mahomes gets pressured 29 times and 4M apologists blame Mahomes.

Yep. Had the entire game to adjust but if you can't run the middle or have time to throw when behind like that...

 

[Bearly]

It’s cray how bad Mahommes looks when OL sux. Chicago Bears bad. Dude should of had like 7 INTs just chucking the ball blindly. He made for a rather boring SB

He did exactly what he had to do to have any chance. It was risk vs reward scenario that had little to lose.

 

[Bearly]

Giuliani declares KC won and has proof. Who was really behind the mask?

 

[Nail Polish]

We already know the answer is no as he failed twice against the Giants pass rush. This was literally the best passh rush performance in SB history.



It seems KC expected Bowles being Bowles to blitz more leaving less guys in coverage. By contrast Bowles went against his nature and decided he could get pressure without blitzing leaving 7 guys in coverage.



Yeah, 4M gets pressure 10 times in a game and his apologists blame the OL. Mahomes gets pressured 29 times and 4M apologists blame Mahomes.

Trying to shift the topic to Trubisky isnt working...Find another excuse for Mahomes failure last night

 

[Luke]

Yep. Had the entire game to adjust but if you can't run the middle or have time to throw when behind like that...

I'll tie this in to the potential acquisition of Wentz. Just a little perspective.
Philly gave up 65 sacks last year, while Wentz alone was sacked 50 times in about 11 1/2 games or about 4 1/2 sacks/game - that's frickin absurd.
This was happening all year, not just one game and he didn't have Kelce, Hil, Watkin, Hardman to throw to either.
It isn't too difficult to extrapolate what Mahomes stats would have been for an entire year if he continually faced this kind of pressure in every game.
I saw this post on an eagles board.

We saw how mediocre the amazing Patrick Mahomes looked when his starting tackles went down. Really was an opportune time for that point to be hammered home - the conclusion being that if Wentz' line was not decimated, he would not have had the type of year he had.

 

[Bearly]

I'll tie this in to the potential acquisition of Wentz. Just a little perspective.
Philly gave up 65 sacks last year, while Wentz alone was sacked 50 times in about 11 1/2 games or about 4 1/2 sacks/game - that's frickin absurd.
This was happening all year, not just one game and he didn't have Kelce, Hil, Watkin, Hardman to throw to either.
It isn't too difficult to extrapolate what Mahomes stats would have been for an entire year if he continually faced this kind of pressure in every game.
I saw this post on an eagles board.

We saw how mediocre the amazing Patrick Mahomes looked when his starting tackles went down. Really was an opportune time for that point to be hammered home - the conclusion being that if Wentz' line was not decimated, he would not have had the type of year he had.

Wentz was also trying to do too much but you are not incorrect.

 

[Nail Polish]

52 QBR

lol:grimmace:

 

[Chicago4Life]

funny to see the chiefs offense look no better than the bears with mediocre oline play. minimal adjustments and no running the ball, its was just like watching nagy...

lot more respect for russell wilson and the shit oline he has to deal with virtually every year.

 

[ThatGuyRyan]

 

[number51]

$25m in 2021 is 5 times his current contract and $20m less than they had to spend in 2020 with a lower cap.

17% of his prorated "over the cap" hit is still less than the league average at QB, LT, or RB. These numbers are not based on "my opinion", they come straight from the league office and the players union.

I understand that most fans are not able to understand or appreciate these figures, but when viewed through the prism of the NFL Players Union ellipse, it is painfully obvious that this is an isolated one off, and not ripe for comparison to the contracts of other professional athletes. This is a perfect time to drag out the tired old cliche about the "fallen Robins nest".

LOL Better luck next time!

 

[fx1718]

17% of his prorated "over the cap" hit is still less than the league average at QB, LT, or RB. These numbers are not based on "my opinion", they come straight from the league office and the players union.

I understand that most fans are not able to understand or appreciate these figures, but when viewed through the prism of the NFL Players Union ellipse, it is painfully obvious that this is an isolated one off, and not ripe for comparison to the contracts of other professional athletes. This is a perfect time to drag out the tired old cliche about the "fallen Robins nest".

LOL Better luck next time!

So you're saying the Chiefs wont have less money to spend? That was my only point? Who is comparing him to other players? Are you stoned at 10am?

 

[Bearly]

Wentz was also trying to do too much but you are not incorrect.

LOL at Leo having a bug up his maz. Child.

 

[Raskolnikov]

What I saw in the Superbowl weirdly reminded me of only one thing I have ever seen...

Mahomes college tape.

Its probably a good glimpse of what he would look like in Chicago without Reid, KC's power line and running game, and Kelce/Hill.

Like nobody has ever dropped back that far in the history of the game. His backfield scramble yardage was the longest of the season in a league that now features several mobile type QB's (600+ yards).

But thats his bad college habit. I've seen it before but to that level only from him. Shit breaks down, run backwards 20 yards and our arm muscle everyone, but the Bucs have team speed too. It was actually the reason I downgraded him in the draft, I had never seen anything like that and didn't know what to make of it.

So what I think happened is the Bucs figured out he still had this fatal flaw, this habit of retreat, and didn't really read defenses as well as they claimed...that was mostly Andy Reid and the offense making things easy.

Once they forced him to read a defense and run for his life...he reverted to his run-away routine. Much blame has to fall on the play-calling for not adjusting into things that they could run...and much credit to Brady attacking early and making that less plausible and less patient.

Great match-up of juggernauts...obscene talent and depth won out. The Bucs on paper are legendary started to look like at toward the end of the season.

You simply can't cover Cameron Brate and Godwin singled up with your 3rd 4th 5th or 6th cover man. If these guys stay together with Godwin/Evans/Brown/Fournette/Brady/Gronke/Brate...

maybe 3 defenses in the league could make it interesting and a couple offenses.
Brate is the last option and he is an accomplished veteran TE who runs perfect routes as a decent tweener. Godwin is a 100 catch pro-bowler and you almost have to just let him run free and hold your breathe, pray his dropsies are for real and chronic. All hail to Brady for leading them to a steady progression, and Arians skipped over any early hiccups and showed deep wisdom in letting things happen in their own time and place. He let the guys rally around Brady as the season went on and removed his own ego from tactics and roster control.