***OFFICIAL*** Patrick Mahomes has lost the Super Bowl thread

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Trying to shift the topic to Trubisky isnt working...Find another excuse for Mahomes failure last night

Oh look, its a 4M apologist.
 

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I'll tie this in to the potential acquisition of Wentz. Just a little perspective.
Philly gave up 65 sacks last year, while Wentz alone was sacked 50 times in about 11 1/2 games or about 4 1/2 sacks/game - that's frickin absurd.
This was happening all year, not just one game and he didn't have Kelce, Hil, Watkin, Hardman to throw to either.
It isn't too difficult to extrapolate what Mahomes stats would have been for an entire year if he continually faced this kind of pressure in every game.
I saw this post on an eagles board.

We saw how mediocre the amazing Patrick Mahomes looked when his starting tackles went down. Really was an opportune time for that point to be hammered home - the conclusion being that if Wentz' line was not decimated, he would not have had the type of year he had.

Wentz faced a lot of pressure but still nothing like Mahomes. Wentz was pressured on 37% of dropbacks while Mahomes was at 52%. Wentz averaged 15.83 pressures a game while Mahomes was 29 last night it almost double.

I agree that Wentz will look better if protected but that pressure was outside the norm even for him.
 

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What I saw in the Superbowl weirdly reminded me of only one thing I have ever seen...

Mahomes college tape.

Its probably a good glimpse of what he would look like in Chicago without Reid, KC's power line and running game, and Kelce/Hill.

Like nobody has ever dropped back that far in the history of the game. His backfield scramble yardage was the longest of the season in a league that now features several mobile type QB's (600+ yards).

But thats his bad college habit. I've seen it before but to that level only from him. Shit breaks down, run backwards 20 yards and our arm muscle everyone, but the Bucs have team speed too. It was actually the reason I downgraded him in the draft, I had never seen anything like that and didn't know what to make of it.

So what I think happened is the Bucs figured out he still had this fatal flaw, this habit of retreat, and didn't really read defenses as well as they claimed...that was mostly Andy Reid and the offense making things easy.

Once they forced him to read a defense and run for his life...he reverted to his run-away routine. Much blame has to fall on the play-calling for not adjusting into things that they could run...and much credit to Brady attacking early and making that less plausible and less patient.

Couldnt disagree more. Even on his crazy scrambles he read the D and gave his WR a chance to make a play. Both of the TDs that went thru WRs hands and hit them in the face were on crazy scrambles.

Further Mahomes backs up 20 yards usually when he cant escape the pocket. If you have JPP and Barrett beating their man and you cant step up because Suh and Vea are waiting the only way you can go is back.

You dont see other QBs do it because they dont have the arm strength to still make a play so they would just eat the sack or try and throw it away at the risk of grounding.

The reality is in most of those situations Mahomes again still found a guy and got the ball to him. There may have been a couple instances where he had an escape route other than backing up but not many.
 

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Couldnt disagree more. Even on his crazy scrambles he read the D and gave his WR a chance to make a play. Both of the TDs that went thru WRs hands and hit them in the face were on crazy scrambles.

Further Mahomes backs up 20 yards usually when he cant escape the pocket. If you have JPP and Barrett beating their man and you cant step up because Suh and Vea are waiting the only way you can go is back.

You dont see other QBs do it because they dont have the arm strength to still make a play so they would just eat the sack or try and throw it away at the risk of grounding.

The reality is in most of those situations Mahomes again still found a guy and got the ball to him. There may have been a couple instances where he had an escape route other than backing up but not many.

I understand why he does it and why he gets away with it due to the arm strength, I was going to make a note of it but decided it was too obvious and didn't need to be said.

Not sure what you are defending. Mahomes has one of the greatest arms of all time, and even on some of his more dire scrambles he made a miracle hitting the guy in the helmet or giving a WR a chance in the end zone, all with a painful toe.

Mahomes went down like a true champion, but he did revert to some old habits and he is far better at retreating or escaping side to side than he is at stepping up in the pocket or reading the defense.

If the team could have executed some quick strikes and made it more of a guessing game it would have slowed down the pass rush, but Mahomes kept doing what they planned on and wanted him to do. If he wants to get better he needs to find the calm to step up in the pocket instead of run, and to execute plays faster and continue to improve reading defenses and coverages.

Yesterday showed us the best player in NFL still has plenty of growth to work on.
 

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I understand why he does it and why he gets away with it due to the arm strength, I was going to make a note of it but decided it was too obvious and didn't need to be said.

Not sure what you are defending. Mahomes has one of the greatest arms of all time, and even on some of his more dire scrambles he made a miracle hitting the guy in the helmet or giving a WR a chance in the end zone, all with a painful toe.

Mahomes went down like a true champion, but he did revert to some old habits and he is far better at retreating or escaping side to side than he is at stepping up in the pocket or reading the defense.

If the team could have executed some quick strikes and made it more of a guessing game it would have slowed down the pass rush, but Mahomes kept doing what they planned on and wanted him to do. If he wants to get better he needs to find the calm to step up in the pocket instead of run, and to execute plays faster and continue to improve reading defenses and coverages.

Yesterday showed us the best player in NFL still has plenty of growth to work on.

I am saying there was no where to step up or go side to side most times. It wasnt the case that he was evading one guy and thus had 3 outs. This is the case where he was evading the front 4.

Bowles only had to blitz 7 times because the 4 man rush was getting there consistently. That is why there were no quick strikes. Bucs were getting immediate press while still have 7 guys playing zone behind them. When you factor in Chiefs had to have the RB or TE stay in to block just 4 guys you are talking 7 guys defending 4 or sometimes 3 receivers. So they could pretty much double every guy out on a route while again still getting immediate pressure.

The Bucs could double Kelce and Hill and still cover the other 3 receivers if need be while getting to Mahomes in under 3 seconds. Where was he going to go with the ball?
 

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I am saying there was no where to step up or go side to side most times. It wasnt the case that he was evading one guy and thus had 3 outs. This is the case where he was evading the front 4.

Bowles only had to blitz 7 times because the 4 man rush was getting there consistently. That is why there were no quick strikes. Bucs were getting immediate press while still have 7 guys playing zone behind them. When you factor in Chiefs had to have the RB or TE stay in to block just 4 guys you are talking 7 guys defending 4 or sometimes 3 receivers. So they could pretty much double every guy out on a route while again still getting immediate pressure.
If you run backwards there is nowhere to go. Its an aspect of his game that needs work. Why complicate it?

He is kinda injury prone and not comfortable inside a dirty pocket, I think its obvious.
 

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At least 3 of Mahommes wild scrambles resulted in drops the could have swung the momentum if the were caught.

I don't know how he managed to hit Hill in the face with his body parallel to the ground.
 

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If you run backwards there is nowhere to go. Its an aspect of his game that needs work. Why complicate it?

He is kinda injury prone and not comfortable inside a dirty pocket, I think its obvious.

If you run sideways you get sacked by JPP or Barrett. If you try to step up you get sacked by Suh and Vea. The few times he did stay in pocket he got crushed as that time when literally Suh, Barrett and JPP all hit him on same play. They literally could have called 3 flags on the play as Barett hit him low from behind, Suh hit him in the helmet and JPP landed on top of him and then pushed his head into the ground. In the end they called it on JPP.

He has been top 10 under pressure 2 of the last 3 years.
 

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Ohh look the guy that made excuses for 4M for years and wants to re-sign him.
He thinks Mahomes superbowl loss means he isn't a good qb.
 

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