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remydat said:
No it is the right word to use if it causes him to miss out on a 100m contract. 100m > 10m
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There is truly zero chance Roquan Smith is getting a hundred million guaranteed dollars on his next contract. The best defensive player in the world, Aaron Donald, didn't even get half that much guaranteed at signing.

The best Smith can realistically hope for is the Shaquille Leonard deal, even if Smith isn't as good as Leonard he might be able to match that figure. That provides thirty three million guaranteed over five years, which is six million guaranteed per year. Significantly less than his guaranteed figure this year.

Now he's not getting the long-term commitment he wants, but he is maximizing his earnings in the short-term. Either way, this is not such an injustice that he should be holding out of camp. He's making enough money that he should be there.
 
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HearshotKDS said:
Entirely part of the contract saga.


Very interested to see the actual contract details because im getting a strong sense that some of the details that media is releasing are wrong/guesses. A lot of the incentives *based on what has been reported* seem like slam dunk of LTBE, but then they wouldnt be pushed to next years cap.
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No. Keep in mind likely to be earned means it was something hit in the prior year. So let's go through it.

10% of snaps and improvement in one of 6 categories. If this is AND not OR then this is NLTBE because improvement means it was not met last year.

Playing time. This would be LTBE if it is 12 games or less or 711 snaps or less. Anything over that and it is NLTBE as it would exceed his playtime last year.

Playoff - This is NLTBE as we missed playoffs last year.
 
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dennehy said:
The improvements are the Bears offense, not things about Reiff last year. And it's one of six categories, not all six. We don't know those categories, but it's very likely the Bears improve in one. There is also an additional snaps incentive, which is probably LTBE. Likely $10mil LTBE as was reported.
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I didnt say the improvements were about Reiff. And if Yates is saying his cap number is 3m then none of the incentives can be LTBE as if it is LTBE it counts this year not next year.

And you are correct. It is any of the 6 not all 6 but that still means NLTBE and hence not charged to the cap this year if it was not met last year.

I suspect they put in easy to reach incentives that were not met last year so they dont get charged to this year cap. If he starts then he hits them and gets paid a decent salary for a starting LT. If he gets beat out and someone else starts then he gets 3m and which is decent money for a backup LT.
 
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Montucky said:
There is truly zero chance Roquan Smith is getting a hundred million guaranteed dollars on his next contract. The best defensive player in the world, Aaron Donald, didn't even get half that much guaranteed at signing.

The best Smith can realistically hope for is the Shaquille Leonard deal, even if Smith isn't as good as Leonard he might be able to match that figure. That provides thirty three million guaranteed over five years, which is six million guaranteed per year. Significantly less than his guaranteed figure this year.

Now he's not getting the long-term commitment he wants, but he is maximizing his earnings in the short-term. Either way, this is not such an injustice that he should be holding out of camp. He's making enough money that he should be there.
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Never claimed he would get 100m guaranteed so rest of your post is irrelevant
 
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remydat said:
No. Keep in mind likely to be earned means it was something hit in the prior year. So let's go through it.

10% of snaps and improvement in 6 categories. If this is AND not OR then this is NLTBE because improvement means it was not met last year.

Playing time. This would be LTBE if it is 12 games or less or 711 snaps or less. Anything over that and it is NLTBE as it would exceed his playtime last year.

Playoff - This is NLTBE as we missed playoffs last year.
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Im familiar with LTBE and NLTBE distinction, I want to see the actual contract details as its either creatively put together (play time AND team performance combined as a single incentive would be an interesting twist that I havent seen before) or imm more likely is some members of media are pushing out tweets before they know the actual details (IE multiple blue checks have already tweeted different values for the first year).
 
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Montucky said:
There is truly zero chance Roquan Smith is getting a hundred million guaranteed dollars on his next contract. The best defensive player in the world, Aaron Donald, didn't even get half that much guaranteed at signing.

The best Smith can realistically hope for is the Shaquille Leonard deal, even if Smith isn't as good as Leonard he might be able to match that figure. That provides thirty three million guaranteed over five years, which is six million guaranteed per year. Significantly less than his guaranteed figure this year.

Now he's not getting the long-term commitment he wants, but he is maximizing his earnings in the short-term. Either way, this is not such an injustice that he should be holding out of camp. He's making enough money that he should be there.
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And Leonard's guaranteed money is 52 million. Not 33
 
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remydat said:
I didnt say the improvements were about Reiff. And if Yates is saying his cap number is 3m then none of the incentives can be LTBE as if it is LTBE it counts this year not next year.

And you are correct. It is any of the 6 not all 6 but that still means NLTBE and hence not charged to the cap this year if it was not met last year.

I suspect they put in easy to reach incentives that were not met last year so they dont get charged to this year cap. If he starts then he hits them and gets paid a decent salary for a starting LT. If he gets beat out and someone else starts then he gets 3m and which is decent money for a backup LT.
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There have been several different reports on that. We will find out soon enough.

In the long run, imo it doesn't matter whether it's this year or next. With rollover it will come out the same for next year which is what matters.
 
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remydat said:
Keep in mind that WILL is the premier LB position in this D as that was what Leonard plays. It is really Urlacher that took the MIKE position to a different level and made Lovie's version of the Tampa 2 different than predecessors.
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I'm aware that moist of the tackles get directed towards the Will. Pace might be better off paying him now if he plans to because he'll have crazy tackle stats.
 
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dennehy said:
There have been several different reports on that. We will find out soon enough.

In the long run, imo it doesn't matter whether it's this year or next. With rollover it will come out the same for next year which is what matters.
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Well I think it matters as we really only need to pay him if he is a starter and Bears improve. If he is a backup then barring injury to a starter he only gets 3m.

If he is a starter then the money hits the cap next year when we have a **** ton of cap. So not like having it get charged to next year stops us from making any moves. So basially if we assumed he hit all incentives it means we have 9.5 in cap for in-season moves that we otherwise would not have assuming Yates is correct.
 
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bears51/40 said:
Bears should be giving fans a twenty to take those jerseys off their hands.
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I'm really curious to see how he does in Pittsburgh. I actually wish him well, honestly. Yes, he was over-drafted, and yes, even factoring in Nagy he didn't always make the best plays, but he wasn't at any time a bad teammate, and he gave his best. Now he can "give his best" somewhere else ?
 
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bears51/40 said:
Bears should be giving fans a twenty to take those jerseys off their hands.
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It's like those trubiskylosous blankets the British gave to Native Americans.
 
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