**Official** Training Camp News & Scheisse [Football Talk Only]

napo55

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Trey Lance goes 12 for 15 today with 3 TDs and no int. He seems to be progressing nicely. He has a huge advantage over Justin Fields in the quality of his receivers and a much better O line.

Too bad supporting our franchise QB wasn't a priority for the new GM.
 

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Everything you have said here is not fact.............just your opinion, which you have every right to express. Let's look at some true facts here.

1) This is a leverage play by Smith. Put the ball back in Poles court.
2) Leverage still belongs to the Bears. Smith is still under contract after all.
3) When it comes down to it Smith is not going to give up game checks, as we have seen countless times before with other players.
4) Bears could still force Smith to play in 2022,2023, and 2024, through 5th year option, and franchise tags.
5) It is in the best interests for both parties to come to an agreement, should the Bears want to.
I am sorry. I agree these look like pretty smart assumptions, I think only point #4 could be considered a fact and is maybe not entirely true as he can choose to sit out.
Not disagreeing with your logic but for the sake of the board we should all know what facts are.
 

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Like I said earlier today. This was a bad strategy by Roquan. It makes everything completely about him, the exact opposite of the culture the new regime is trying to instill. Can call it “just a negotiating tool” all you want, but don’t act like it won’t have some type of negative effect on the overall discussions…
Or it just might kick start the negotiations, which seems to be his intent.
 

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Like I said earlier today. This was a bad strategy by Roquan. It makes everything completely about him, the exact opposite of the culture the new regime is trying to instill. Can call it “just a negotiating tool” all you want, but don’t act like it won’t have some type of negative effect on the overall discussions…
You said earlier that him not practicing affected his value negatively. This info makes that obviously wrong.
 

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How did I say anything different here? Lol. You people will twist yourselves in knots trying to win an internet “debate”…
If the Bears were working toward signing him, and thought it was progressing nicely, then they did not feel that his hold in was the reason he hasn't signed yet. Basic logic.
 

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If the Bears were working toward signing him, and thought it was progressing nicely, then they did not feel that his hold in was the reason he hasn't signed yet. Basic logic.
And you know that him holding out wasn’t one of the reasons for a lower offer how? Or that today’s tactic isn’t going to affect it? Please share your sources…lol
 

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And you know that him holding out wasn’t one of the reasons for a lower offer how? Or that today’s tactic isn’t going to affect it? Please share your sources…lol
This is getting tiresome. The offer came before training camp. That's why he's been holding in. If they thought it was progressing nicely even though he was holding in, that means that they were negotiating in good faith while he was holding in and the offer wasn't based on him holding in. Today's tactic had nothing to do with our discussion. Not difficult to follow.
 

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I love me some Cliff Stein but if he really is trying to put de-escaltors that no other top player has in their contract then I tell him to go eat a dick if I am Quan. Simple as that.

I don't blame Stein as I would try and sneak that shit in there too if I can. But Quan called your bullshit so time to ante up or trade him.
 

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