**Official** Training Camp News & Scheisse [Football Talk Only]

[remydat]

At this juncture I think it bears repeating. Something I think pundits, media and Bears fans got wrong was this idea that the talent around Fields needed to be better in order for him to develop. Better talent improves our chances of winning, the stats Fields puts up and secondarily yes can help with a QB's development.

However, what determines a truly good or great QB is not the talent around them but their own ability. The things that hindered Fields last year were footwork, mechanics, reading defenses, making progressions, getting the ball out in time, and pocket awareness. All of those things are largely things that can be improved and developed independent of the talent. Talent makes the job easier but it does not improve any of those things. A better OL for example does not improve pocket awareness. By contrast it simply covers up a lack of pocket awareness by putting the QB in less situations where his pocket awareness is needed. Better WRs doesn't help a QB read a defense or go thru progressions. By contrast better WRs may mean a QB can get away with not having to read a D or progress thru reads because his 1st or 2nd option is open more often than not.

I say all of this to say, while better talent is ideal and a must to being a contender it was never a must for Fields development. I would much rather a QB that spreads the ball around to 10 different targets than a QB that forces the ball into an ARob because ARob is good enough to make up for him not throwing to the right read.

 

[nvanprooyen]

At this juncture I think it bears repeating. Something I think pundits, media and Bears fans got wrong was this idea that the talent around Fields needed to be better in order for him to develop. Better talent improves our chances of winning, the stats Fields puts up and secondarily yes can help with a QB's development.

However, what determines a truly good or great QB is not the talent around them but their own ability. The things that hindered Fields last year were footwork, mechanics, reading defenses, making progressions, getting the ball out in time, and pocket awareness. All of those things are largely things that can be improved and developed independent of the talent. Talent makes the job easier but it does not improve any of those things. A better OL for example does not improve pocket awareness. By contrast it simply covers up a lack of pocket awareness by putting the QB in less situations where his pocket awareness is needed. Better WRs doesn't help a QB read a defense or go thru progressions. By contrast better WRs may mean a QB can get away with not having to read a D or progress thru reads because his 1st or 2nd option is open more often than not.

I say all of this to say, while better talent is ideal and a must to being a contender it was never a must for Fields development. I would much rather a QB that spreads the ball around to 10 different targets than a QB that forces the ball into an ARob because ARob is good enough to make up for him not throwing to the right read.

I mostly agree with this, but I don't think this is a completely binary argument. Using the OL as an example, mediocre is ok. But if they were REALLY terrible, that also wouldn't help growth IMO if he was running for his life every down, not being able to go through progressions, constantly going 3 and out, etc. That said I think there is enough around him for a significant amount of growth around him. Especially without a coaching staff trying to suck their own cocks instead of gameplanning around player strengths.

 

[remydat]

I mostly agree with this, but I don't think this is a completely binary argument. Using the OL as an example, mediocre is ok. But if they were REALLY terrible, that also wouldn't help growth IMO if he was running for his life every down, not being able to go through progressions, constantly going 3 and out, etc. That said I think there is enough around him for a significant amount of growth around him. Especially without a coaching staff trying to suck their own cocks instead of gameplanning around player strengths.

Sure there are always exceptions to the rule but I would say a competent coaching staff has ways around that.

Keep in mind that as bad as the line was last year they still held blocks for at least 2.5 seconds as they were 6th in the NFL in pass block win rate so a QB faced with that reality should adjust and get rid of the ball quicker or scrambling sooner.

Herbert is a good example as he led the NFL in passer rating under pressure despite having a bad OL his rookie year.

Fields for his part appears to be taking the checkdowns he didnt last year. In a strange way the best thing I heard about camp was how uneventful the passing game was overall and how there werent as many big plays. The media said it as a knock but for me it was evidence Fields was checking the ball down. I already know he can make big plays. What he needs to do is make all the little ones that sustain drives while you wait for the big play to materialize.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

I mostly agree with this, but I don't think this is a completely binary argument. Using the OL as an example, mediocre is ok. But if they were REALLY terrible, that also wouldn't help growth IMO if he was running for his life every down, not being able to go through progressions, constantly going 3 and out, etc. That said I think there is enough around him for a significant amount of growth around him. Especially without a coaching staff trying to suck their own cocks instead of gameplanning around player strengths.

Completely agree with this assessment.

 

[LIBlue]

Adam Schefter was just on the NFL Network, and is still talking about the Bears trading Teven Jenkins. I would be stunned, but why is Schefter still peddling this theory? I hope it is not true.

 

[The Big Grabowski]

Adam Schefter was just on the NFL Network, and is still talking about the Bears trading Teven Jenkins. I would be stunned, but why is Schefter still peddling this theory? I hope it is not true.

Schefter is an access journalist who lost standing around the league when the Redskins leak revealed he was giving editorial oversight to the sources of his stories. There's probably nothing behind whatever narrative he's trying to peddle.

 

[run and shoot]

Solid preseason outing for Fields. One drive, field goal. Build on it.

Thought the rebuilding of this team as a whole continued last night. I hope that they can avoid injuries headed into the last preseason game against the Browns and are ready week 1 for the Niners.

Onwards.

Good points. PM me

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

Adam Schefter was just on the NFL Network, and is still talking about the Bears trading Teven Jenkins. I would be stunned, but why is Schefter still peddling this theory? I hope it is not true.

Honestly, this staff knows more about the situation than we do. I love Jenkins the player, but maybe Jenkins the person has a bit of a screw loose? I mean, who knows. As much as people like to shit on leakers, there probably was some truth to what Kaplan said about Jenkins being immature, and perhaps that's because they wanted to kick him in to guard a lot sooner, and he just wasn't having it.

Even if he eventually came around, I could see the Bears still not having the taste of that out of their mouths, so maybe they are still keeping the window open for trade, but in light of his play, aren't going to unload him for nothing now either. Or maybe its Jenkins camp that wants to force the trade because he wants to be a tackle.

Always hard to tell in these situations.

 

[EDPeezy]

Schefter is an access journalist who lost standing around the league when the Redskins leak revealed he was giving editorial oversight to the sources of his stories. There's probably nothing behind whatever narrative he's trying to peddle.

Isn‘t that how it works though? What he did was already known by the organizations. It was the public largely naive to how all this worked. So why would it effect his standing?

 

[pseudonym]

I mostly agree with this, but I don't think this is a completely binary argument. Using the OL as an example, mediocre is ok. But if they were REALLY terrible, that also wouldn't help growth IMO if he was running for his life every down, not being able to go through progressions, constantly going 3 and out, etc. That said I think there is enough around him for a significant amount of growth around him. Especially without a coaching staff trying to suck their own cocks instead of gameplanning around player strengths.

Yep. And the way you use your players—the scheming and play-calling—that also makes a big difference. Nagy was an idiot.

 

[gwharris2254]

So how does picking 7 in the waivers work? If there’s multiple guys there you like can you take them all? Or can you only take one at a time?

I am thinking you only can take one at a time until all teams pass on the player ? Not sure though. Good question

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

Honestly, its actually refreshing to see a well-running offense, players disciplined and well-coached, etc.

 

[HeHateMe]

Honestly, its actually refreshing to see a well-running offense, players disciplined and well-coached, etc.

What's really refreshing, if true, you may have actually watched the well-running offense for once. PS you could also have done this by watching other teams play football as well last season...

 

[Pretzel Logic]

Good points. PM me

PM sent.

 

[JesusHalasChrist]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1564315374950256640

 

[Canth]

Adam Schefter was just on the NFL Network, and is still talking about the Bears trading Teven Jenkins. I would be stunned, but why is Schefter still peddling this theory? I hope it is not true.

I see Rapoport with the same thing. My assumption is that the trade rumors and calls were real before the move to guard. He is looking good at guard, so teams are interested and the Bears are listening but just not going to dump him for peanuts now.

 

[The Big Grabowski]

I see Rapoport with the same thing. My assumption is that the trade rumors and calls were real before the move to guard. He is looking good at guard, so teams are interested and the Bears are listening but just not going to dump him for peanuts now.

Is Rapsheet still saying that though?

I don't doubt there was trade interest 3 weeks ago. At the very least, teams were calling to check in and Poles was taking the calls. Hard to say what the interest was on the Bears part, but they haven't moved Jenkins. Starting him at RG for the last preseason game would indicate they're still invested in him.

Lastly, there has been a lot of offbase speculation about Bears' players this offseason. Remember when Quinn was going to be traded?

 

[The Big Grabowski]

Isn‘t that how it works though? What he did was already known by the organizations. It was the public largely naive to how all this worked. So why would it effect his standing?

When his credibility took a hit, he became less useful to teams. Reputation and public trust are vital to claiming a status as an "insider".

Several players called him out since. I think it was Lamar Jackson who roasted Schefter after an insider report about the Ravens. He's clearly not
viewed the same way any more.

 

[Anytime23]

Good points. PM me

You never respond to my PMs. What gives?

 

[iueyedoc]

Told you nothing?

I am thinking you only can take one at a time until all teams pass on the player ? Not sure though. Good question

I think you are thinking of FF. ​

Teams do not lose priority after they make a claim. If the team with the No. 1 waiver priority puts in three waiver claims, they will get all three players. In fantasy football, most leagues have a system where if a team successfully claims a player, they are moved to the bottom of the waiver priority.​