Offseason rumors/discussion thread

[CSF77]

When Braun jabs a needle into the foot of a MLB player against their wishes than that arguement has value.

 

[Omeletpants]

ESPN rates Maddon #13 best coach in all of sports
http://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/24193474/top-50-sports

 

[CSF77]

ESPN rates Maddon #13 best coach in all of sports
http://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/24193474/top-50-sports

Might be bias but he gets his player behind him.

 

[kapooncha]

When Braun jabs a needle into the foot of a MLB player against their wishes than that arguement has value.

Lol

 

[CSF77]

Makes an argument to retain a guy like Maples. High 90’s can get wild. Swear I didn’t mean to head shot. Just got away....

 

[anotheridiot]

Makes an argument to retain a guy like Maples. High 90’s can get wild. Swear I didn’t mean to head shot. Just got away....

The scary part to Maples is he has that wicked movement like Chatwood has. There is no doubt Chatwoods ball moves more than anyone on the roster, Maples might be second, its just having it move and become strikes. Just worrysome since they could not find a way to control Chatwood.

 

[beckdawg]

Makes an argument to retain a guy like Maples. High 90’s can get wild. Swear I didn’t mean to head shot. Just got away....

So your mad at Machado for what he did but perfectly ok with guys throwing ~100 mph fastballs at people? You get hit in the face with a 100 mph fastball and you could die.

 

[kapooncha]

So your mad at Machado for what he did but perfectly ok with guys throwing ~100 mph fastballs at people? You get hit in the face with a 100 mph fastball and you could die.

Since you're so big into stats and probabilities, how many players have died from being hit in the face with a baseball? Better yet, what does FanGraphs say about the odds of that happening?

 

[Parade_Rain]

Since you're so big into stats and probabilities, how many players have died from being hit in the face with a baseball? Better yet, what does FanGraphs say about the odds of that happening?

Actually in today's society being thrown at, if proven to be deliberate, could become a felony assault case. It's not like that hasn't happened in pro hockey. It's a career threatening injury possibility. Look up Anthony Richard Conigliaro. Did you even play the game beyond tee ball?

 

[CSF77]

So your mad at Machado for what he did but perfectly ok with guys throwing ~100 mph fastballs at people? You get hit in the face with a 100 mph fastball and you could die.

Attacking and retaliation are similar but not the same.

Having a guy in the pen that could come out smiling at you after you pull a turd act keeps you honest.

Crew is not going to use Hader like that. 1 pitch/toss out. Maples is another story.

Do I advance the opinion of an eye for an eye? Debatable. But I do propone the “big stick” theory.

 

[CSF77]

Actually in today's society being thrown at, if proven to be deliberate, could become a felony assault case. It's not like that hasn't happened in pro hockey. It's a career threatening injury possibility. Look up Anthony Richard Conigliaro. Did you even play the game beyond tee ball?

About as crazy as laying fines on players going to the batting cage practicing hitting line drives up the middle.

Part of the game.

Some things are not. When that becomes the case than sweet chin music has always been a part of the game. If that song makes you sad then don’t turn on that channel

 

[Parade_Rain]

About as crazy as laying fines on players going to the batting cage practicing hitting line drives up the middle.

Part of the game.

Some things are not. When that becomes the case than sweet chin music has always been a part of the game. If that song makes you sad then don’t turn on that channel

That's laughable. Hitting up the middle and hitting a pitcher is not a deliberate act. Hitting a batter with a pitch is an accident. Throwing at a batter because a teammate showed a pit her up or he hit too many HR off you this game is no accident. It doesn't belong in today's game, especially at head height.

 

[CSF77]

That's laughable. Hitting up the middle and hitting a pitcher is not a deliberate act. Hitting a batter with a pitch is an accident. Throwing at a batter because a teammate showed a pit her up or he hit too many HR off you this game is no accident. It doesn't belong in today's game, especially at head height.

Did I say payback to hitting HR’s? No

I said payback to a player attacking a teammate.

Not the same thing.

If a guy hammers you well maybe he beat you and learn from it and get him out the next time.

Swear the game has become too chick friendly.

 

[beckdawg]

Attacking and retaliation are similar but not the same.

Having a guy in the pen that could come out smiling at you after you pull a turd act keeps you honest.

Crew is not going to use Hader like that. 1 pitch/toss out. Maples is another story.

Do I advance the opinion of an eye for an eye? Debatable. But I do propone the “big stick” theory.

I honestly find this to be pretty disgusting. If a guy pulls a "turd act" the MLB should suspend him. The fact that MLB let's teams "police each other" is part of the fucking problem. It's pretty dumb in my mind that you get a longer suspension for PEDs than for throwing at guys.

Also throwing at someone's head isn't an eye for an eye. Even if you argue that Machado's intent was to hurt the guy which I'm not sure I believe, there's a drastic difference between hurting a guy's ankle and throwing at someone's head.

And lastly if you're building a roster to have guys to do this sort of shit then you're not a competitive team.

 

[kapooncha]

Actually in today's society being thrown at, if proven to be deliberate, could become a felony assault case. It's not like that hasn't happened in pro hockey. It's a career threatening injury possibility. Look up Anthony Richard Conigliaro. Did you even play the game beyond tee ball?

I'm not talking about crimes or legal cases. Beck said that someone could die by being hit in the face with a baseball. And I asked him (or anyone) to tell how many baseball players have been killed that way?

 

[fatbeard]

I'm not talking about crimes or legal cases. Beck said that someone could die by being hit in the face with a baseball. And I asked him (or anyone) to tell how many baseball players have been killed that way?

I'll take, "Not an argument" for $400, Alex.

 

[kapooncha]

I'll take, "Not an argument" for $400, Alex.

Yes let's deal with fantasy instead of the facts. FanGraphs would be so disappointed.

 

[chibears55]

ESPN rates Maddon #13 best coach in all of sports
http://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/24193474/top-50-sports

Popularity votes

He been and is a name that plastered all over the sporting news for being a fun over the top manager and more so for being a cubs manager who finally won the WS

 

[beckdawg]

Popularity votes

He been and is a name that plastered all over the sporting news for being a fun over the top manager and more so for being a cubs manager who finally won the WS

There's also the fact he's 387-261(.597) as the cubs manager. What frustrates me about the conversation around him is that it's never "is he a good manager?" It's is he the "best" manager but it's phrased in a way asking whether or not he's even any good. I'll save some people a lot of effort. The guy is probably a top 5 manager in baseball at worst. That's not an opinion or something that's open for debate.

Ultimately no manager is going to be without flaws. And it'd be one thing if maddon was the one obviously making bad calls that lead to playoff losses. But the 2015 cubs lost to the mets because they couldn't hit good pitching. They lost to the dodgers last year because they couldn't hit good pitching. And they fell out of the playoffs/divisional race this year because again they didn't hit well late in the year. There's a nuanced discussion to be had as to why that is but I can't really see that as being some how Maddon's fault.

 

[TL1961]

Fans look at a coach or manager who wins it all, and like to point out "Look at he players he ahd. Anyone could win with that team." But the argument gets turned backwards.

Auerbach had Russell, Cousy, etc. Jackson had MJ and Pippen. Beleichik has Brady, blah, blah.

It's not that you CAN win a championship WITHOUT great players, it's that you can fail to win one WITH them. The Washington nationals have a great lineup and a couple great starting pitchers, and failed to make the playoffs even with two wildcards. Had they won it all, fans would say, "Sure, but look who they have in their lineup..."

Don't take winning for granted. A LOT of managers don't get to the postseason with the injuries and issues the Cubs had this year.