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Wouldn’t that conflict with Tatis?
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Ya and they don't expect to add more than 18 mil to that.
They would love to move Will Meyers but that contract is dead weight.
They have 2 decent pitchers right now and will target a vet vis F/A (cheap) and a 2nd trade and let the rest fight it out
Q would be a decent add if they sign a F/A around 8 mil.
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They wouldn't trade for Bryant. First of all he will make the cussion that they need to use to finish their rotation.
2nd is he is a 3B and Manny is a GG 3B. They don't need a corner OF. For that matter their starting could be very good if Meyers rebounds to his productive self vs his injured self
Preller was dumb to move him off first. He hit his best there and moving off he has been injured more than not.
So that is my take on this subject. Q and Almora for 2 arms that are mid tier guys. More of a depth builder vs a barn burner.
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Where is the argument? The braves are at 85 million. You dont have to spend 218 to win, the Red sox and cubs proved that last year. The braves, cardinals, rays, twins proved you dont have to spend to make the playoffs.
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He peaked right before PED testing was implemented and it was a spike.
After his neck injury nerve he comes back looking like Superman again.
It is suspect. Greater players admitted to use in faster injury recovery.
I take it as he wanted back to help his team and risk reward
But we will never know. But to say no to this? You have bed time conversations with him?
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It wasn't an argument. It was a point of information. It was pointed out what SD targeted for total payroll versus where they sit now.
Teams don't have to spend $200 M to win a title, but the Braves, Cardinals, Rays, and Twins haven't won titles recently while the Red Sox and Cubs have.
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Astros Intend To Add Veteran Starters
November 13th, 2019 at 8:14am CST • By Jeff Todd
Even as the Astros fend off yet another controversy, they’re working to tweak an exceptionally talented roster. And GM Jeff Luhnow says that a key focus for the winter is to buttress a rotation that stands to lose key pieces to free agency, as Chandler Rome of the Houston Chronicle writes.
That’s not exactly surprising; it was obvious that something would need to be done with ace Gerrit Cole and sturdy veteran Wade Miley departing, to say nothing of Collin McHugh and (likely) Aaron Sanchez. Even with Lance McCullers Jr. slated to return — with Brad Peacock, Jose Urquidy, and Josh James also options to join Justin Verlander and Zack Greinke — there’s a dearth of reliable innings on hand. But it was not entirely clear just how the ‘Stros would go about filling in.
Luhnow made clear that the organization would like to come away from the hot stove season with multiple veteran additions to the rotation mix. “I’d prefer to have two because more options is better,” he said, “but it’s going to come down to what we can actually get done and what our value proposition is.”
It doesn’t sound as if the Astros necessarily feel a need to add a pair of surefire starters. Luhnow spoke of a “need to build that list” of “eight or nine guys competing for five spots.” And he noted that some additions could be promised a starting spot, while others might be brought into compete for one.
As Rome highlights, there’s an interesting question here for Luhnow — or, perhaps, for owner Jim Crane. The team has expressed a desire not to move past the luxury tax line, but that doesn’t leave much free payroll to work with. And Luhnow again emphasized a desire to avoid tying up too much future spending capacity, saying: “In general, the more flexibility we give ourselves in the future, the better off we’re going to be as an organization.”
There are numerous directions the Astros could take here. It’ll obviously depend upon the opportunities available — the “value proposition,” as Luhnow frames it — along with the team’s willingness to spend and decisions on investing in other areas of need. Landing the next Miley or Charlie Morton would surely be ideal, though that requires both the identification of an undervalued asset and the ability to reach agreement before another team swoops in. There are quite a few notable hurlers entering free agency this winter. It’ll be fascinating to see how the ‘Stros end up engaging the rotation market.
November 13th, 2019 at 8:14am CST • By Jeff Todd
Even as the Astros fend off yet another controversy, they’re working to tweak an exceptionally talented roster. And GM Jeff Luhnow says that a key focus for the winter is to buttress a rotation that stands to lose key pieces to free agency, as Chandler Rome of the Houston Chronicle writes.
That’s not exactly surprising; it was obvious that something would need to be done with ace Gerrit Cole and sturdy veteran Wade Miley departing, to say nothing of Collin McHugh and (likely) Aaron Sanchez. Even with Lance McCullers Jr. slated to return — with Brad Peacock, Jose Urquidy, and Josh James also options to join Justin Verlander and Zack Greinke — there’s a dearth of reliable innings on hand. But it was not entirely clear just how the ‘Stros would go about filling in.
Luhnow made clear that the organization would like to come away from the hot stove season with multiple veteran additions to the rotation mix. “I’d prefer to have two because more options is better,” he said, “but it’s going to come down to what we can actually get done and what our value proposition is.”
It doesn’t sound as if the Astros necessarily feel a need to add a pair of surefire starters. Luhnow spoke of a “need to build that list” of “eight or nine guys competing for five spots.” And he noted that some additions could be promised a starting spot, while others might be brought into compete for one.
As Rome highlights, there’s an interesting question here for Luhnow — or, perhaps, for owner Jim Crane. The team has expressed a desire not to move past the luxury tax line, but that doesn’t leave much free payroll to work with. And Luhnow again emphasized a desire to avoid tying up too much future spending capacity, saying: “In general, the more flexibility we give ourselves in the future, the better off we’re going to be as an organization.”
There are numerous directions the Astros could take here. It’ll obviously depend upon the opportunities available — the “value proposition,” as Luhnow frames it — along with the team’s willingness to spend and decisions on investing in other areas of need. Landing the next Miley or Charlie Morton would surely be ideal, though that requires both the identification of an undervalued asset and the ability to reach agreement before another team swoops in. There are quite a few notable hurlers entering free agency this winter. It’ll be fascinating to see how the ‘Stros end up engaging the rotation market.
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Tossing it out now.
If they are looking for 2 starters. IMO offer Chatwood and Q for a lite return. Tyler Ivey, Rogelio Amenteros and Hunter Brown
If they are looking for 2 starters. IMO offer Chatwood and Q for a lite return. Tyler Ivey, Rogelio Amenteros and Hunter Brown
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what was the payroll when they won the first title? 15th in baseball, around 140 million, with the Lester and Heyward deals in the fat years. Red sox first title under theo when they were building?
San Diego is not considered large market revenue is it? They are doing it right, develop their talent, use it on the ML roster and they might win a world series around 20th in payroll.
The point was spending money does not guarantee anything. I did not read it was Sandiegos fact that they were willing to become the top spender in baseball to win.
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Yu Darvish receives apologies after Houston Astros cheating allegations surface | Fox News
Yu Darvish receives apologies after Houston Astros cheating allegations surface
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SD is supposedly looking for LH bats and switch hitting OF. Given there's already a fair amount of talk around the cubs/pads I'm wondering if there's something to be had with Happ.
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No clue on what’s even possible with Happ since he seems like a guy who should go to a rebuilding team than a contender right now.
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So it sounds like they are planning on bringing Morrow back on a minor league deal and he is open to it. Concidering the Cubs are paying him 3mil already ya he should take the opertunity.
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No. And are the Cubs contenders? They are for sure pretenders right now.
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Bryant for Dustin May?
https://www.12up.com/posts/dodgers-cubs-trade-kris-bryant-could-work-01dsgr1z89gw
https://www.12up.com/posts/dodgers-cubs-trade-kris-bryant-could-work-01dsgr1z89gw
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I would do that one.
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That's a start, but I would need more. Bryant is a HOF-trajectory player.
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What would the other prospects be like?
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Im kind of baffled how people think this team couldnt compete for a WS. The Nats arent a dynasty. Dodgers seem to shit the bed in post season. Cards and Brewers are easily beatable. NL is wide open.
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Rotation of Hendricks / Darvish / Lester / Q ain’t gonna cut it in the playoffs imo.