Offseason Stuff

[fatbeard]

Im kind of baffled how people think this team couldnt compete for a WS. The Nats arent a dynasty. Dodgers seem to shit the bed in post season. Cards and Brewers are easily beatable. NL is wide open.

Because they need another 1-2 type SP and basically an entire bullpen aside from Kimbrel. Depending on where Heyward plays, they have either no CF or no RF, a total question mark in an unproven rookie at 2B who barely played in the minors, and are probably on the verge of losing their best position player. While their overall talent level is still competitive versus their division, it doesn't measure up against the best in the NL.

 

[SilenceS]

Because they need another 1-2 type SP and basically an entire bullpen aside from Kimbrel. Depending on where Heyward plays, they have either no CF or no RF, a total question mark in an unproven rookie at 2B who barely played in the minors, and are probably on the verge of losing their best position player. While their overall talent level is still competitive versus their division, it doesn't measure up against the best in the NL.

Who is the best in the NL? The Dodgers? Washington? They all have their issues. Washington could lose Rendon and have a horrific bullpen.

Dodgers pitching staff leaves a lot to be desired. Kershaw is another year older with that back. Their bullpen was a mess last year.

I find no team in the NL above and beyond the Cubs. A lot went wrong last year for the team. They still have players coming into their own and should be able to plug these holes with FA signings and trades. If they trade Bryant, it isnt going to be low level prospects. They are going to be major league ready. This isnt a rebuild. Its a bridge gap to get younger. Lets see their moves before people write them off.

 

[anotheridiot]

Who is the best in the NL? The Dodgers? Washington? They all have their issues. Washington could lose Rendon and have a horrific bullpen.

Dodgers pitching staff leaves a lot to be desired. Kershaw is another year older with that back. Their bullpen was a mess last year.

I find no team in the NL above and beyond the Cubs. A lot went wrong last year for the team. They still have players coming into their own and should be able to plug these holes with FA signings and trades. If they trade Bryant, it isnt going to be low level prospects. They are going to be major league ready. This isnt a rebuild. Its a bridge gap to get younger. Lets see their moves before people write them off.

What holes? No team in the NL was above and beyond the cubs since 2016. It was execution and managing that wasted this window.
We say, Colorado will take Happ and give us a good pitcher back, or someone will love almora, so why are they holes?
Theo originally signed Heyward to play CF, then Fowler came back. Do you think if Theo was happy with Heyward he would have taken Fowler back? Now for the past seasons we have watched Heyward struggle in center field, become just a regular outfielder.
We want Theo to draft and develop to the major league roster, well he did with Nico, he showed he can play here, but is not going to be given the shot to earn a job? With september, he cant come up til June sometime if you want to **** him out of super 2. Do we want another disgruntled player here?

I think we should talk about June and the deadline with these players, see how Ross utilizes them, see what holding players accountable does.

 

[CSF77]

I think that the Nat's showed how to win. 4 guys in the rotation and hitters that don't give up outs easy.

Cubs have 2 SP that are play off quality. Lester should be dropped in the play offs. Even though Ross would not screw his buddy that way.

The best thing that the Cubs can do right now is trade Bryant and Contreras. Bring back pitching depth.

That is how they should attack the off-season. In the after math I would honestly sign Shogo for CF and lead off. Start Happ at 3B and let him get comphy there with Bote providing depth.

Over all start the reload for 2020.

 

[CSF77]

Another idea would be trade for Jon Grey. Rox are marketing him right now and it is suggested that they would want a replacement arm (Mills) and a package. So on that front you decide if you extend Contreras and make Amaya available with Ademan

 

[Steve_A]

Who is the best in the NL? The Dodgers? Washington? They all have their issues. Washington could lose Rendon and have a horrific bullpen.

Dodgers pitching staff leaves a lot to be desired. Kershaw is another year older with that back. Their bullpen was a mess last year.

I find no team in the NL above and beyond the Cubs. A lot went wrong last year for the team. They still have players coming into their own and should be able to plug these holes with FA signings and trades. If they trade Bryant, it isnt going to be low level prospects. They are going to be major league ready. This isnt a rebuild. Its a bridge gap to get younger. Lets see their moves before people write them off.

What holes? No team in the NL was above and beyond the cubs since 2016. It was execution and managing that wasted this window.
We say, Colorado will take Happ and give us a good pitcher back, or someone will love almora, so why are they holes?
Theo originally signed Heyward to play CF, then Fowler came back. Do you think if Theo was happy with Heyward he would have taken Fowler back? Now for the past seasons we have watched Heyward struggle in center field, become just a regular outfielder.
We want Theo to draft and develop to the major league roster, well he did with Nico, he showed he can play here, but is not going to be given the shot to earn a job? With september, he cant come up til June sometime if you want to **** him out of super 2. Do we want another disgruntled player here?

I think we should talk about June and the deadline with these players, see how Ross utilizes them, see what holding players accountable does.

Another idea would be trade for Jon Grey. Rox are marketing him right now and it is suggested that they would want a replacement arm (Mills) and a package. So on that front you decide if you extend Contreras and make Amaya available with Ademan

Astros showed that teams that don’t strike out as much wins games. The Nationals / Astros / Rays showed that you need three good starters to compete in the offseason.

Roster still is no doubt talented but probably not enough as Darvish an ace and Hendricks no2. Also Jon Grey with his so so numbers on the road does not scream an add either (look at his ugly whip).

 

[CSF77]

Astros showed that teams that don’t strike out as much wins games. The Nationals / Astros / Rays showed that you need three good starters to compete in the offseason.

Roster still is no doubt talented but probably not enough as Darvish an ace and Hendricks no2. Also Jon Grey with his so so numbers on the road does not scream an add either (look at his ugly whip).

Jon Grey = Cole pre Astros. Potential is there with the right situation. Cole was looking the bust before he was traded also

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Who is the best in the NL? The Dodgers? Washington? They all have their issues. Washington could lose Rendon and have a horrific bullpen.

Dodgers pitching staff leaves a lot to be desired. Kershaw is another year older with that back. Their bullpen was a mess last year.

I find no team in the NL above and beyond the Cubs. A lot went wrong last year for the team. They still have players coming into their own and should be able to plug these holes with FA signings and trades. If they trade Bryant, it isnt going to be low level prospects. They are going to be major league ready. This isnt a rebuild. Its a bridge gap to get younger. Lets see their moves before people write them off.

Yes let’s go at it again with the same roster that has fallen apart down the stretch the last two years and has an even worse rotation now. Sticking with a failing plan is what that cubs have always done. Moving players and doing a reboot before guys lose value is the right thing to do.

 

[Steve_A]

Jon Grey = Cole pre Astros. Potential is there with the right situation. Cole was looking the bust before he was traded also

Nice try but Cole had way better seasons then Grey ever had.

 

[Parade_Rain]

What's all this arguing about Derek Lee for? Lee was a solid dude with superior mechanics as a hitter. As for Gold Gloves and who was better at 1B, Rizzo wears his glove on the proper hand for the position.

 

[SilenceS]

Yes let’s go at it again with the same roster that has fallen apart down the stretch the last two years and has an even worse rotation now. Sticking with a failing plan is what that cubs have always done. Moving players and doing a reboot before guys lose value is the right thing to do.

What? Who and where was anyone arguing making changes? May want to re read the convo.

 

[TL1961]

Where is the argument? The braves are at 85 million. You dont have to spend 218 to win, the Red sox and cubs proved that last year. The braves, cardinals, rays, twins proved you dont have to spend to make the playoffs.

Where do you think Cards payroll ranks? They are spending.

 

[TL1961]

Trading Bryant is the dumbest thing the Cubs could do.

 

[CSF77]

Nice try but Cole had way better seasons then Grey ever had.

96.0 MPH avg pitch 2066 RPM avg spin on 4. Houston has got more RPM which has directly improved their performance. Don't be shocked if Houston trades for him because it is just another toolset guy that they can max out.

Cole
2019 2530 RPM
2018 2379 RPM
2017 2164 RPM

Look familiar?

 

[Castor76]

Trading Bryant is the dumbest thing the Cubs could do.

Why? He has enough control left that he can bring back a good haul. He's fighting to get to FA ASAP even though the Cubs followed the rules. It can suck, but address that in the next CBA.

If they moved Happ there solidly, I might tell him to stop batting right handed and see what he can do against lefties left handed. He's not Bryant with the bat, but he isn't that much of a drop off.

 

[knoxville7]

Who is the best in the NL? The Dodgers? Washington? They all have their issues. Washington could lose Rendon and have a horrific bullpen.

Dodgers pitching staff leaves a lot to be desired. Kershaw is another year older with that back. Their bullpen was a mess last year.

I find no team in the NL above and beyond the Cubs. A lot went wrong last year for the team. They still have players coming into their own and should be able to plug these holes with FA signings and trades. If they trade Bryant, it isnt going to be low level prospects. They are going to be major league ready. This isnt a rebuild. Its a bridge gap to get younger. Lets see their moves before people write them off.

You’re thinking too much about the last couple years. The team to beat in the NL next year is the braves

 

[Steve_A]

96.0 MPH avg pitch 2066 RPM avg spin on 4. Houston has got more RPM which has directly improved their performance. Don't be shocked if Houston trades for him because it is just another toolset guy that they can max out.

Cole
2019 2530 RPM
2018 2379 RPM
2017 2164 RPM

Look familiar?

No, cause you're using limited data as an example.
Chatwood had a 2479 RPM do you see a Cole in him?

 

[TL1961]

Why? He has enough control left that he can bring back a good haul. He's fighting to get to FA ASAP even though the Cubs followed the rules. It can suck, but address that in the next CBA.

If they moved Happ there solidly, I might tell him to stop batting right handed and see what he can do against lefties left handed. He's not Bryant with the bat, but he isn't that much of a drop off.

“Happ isn’t much of a dropoff from Bryant.”

Ok. ?

 

[anotheridiot]

Where do you think Cards payroll ranks? They are spending.

Since apparently you cant look it up, they are tenth at 68 million less than the cubs and red sox. You might say they are spending wisely.

 

[CSF77]

No cause you're using limited data as an example.
Chatwood had a 2479 RPM do you see a Cole in him?

You can't argue tool set. Houston has a proven track record. The Cubs do not.