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Nordstrom has some chemistry with Kruger, IE they are using him to replace Frolik.</p>
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That was a sick goal he scored after the takeaway in Detroit, too, .</p>
 

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Im happy to see Smith make the cut and he deserved it. I think he will bring some good energy to that 4th line and yet again a guy you can slide up and down lines if needed (to me that's huge). Im really high on the roster again this season. I like the mix of talent and character and two way forwards all over the place!!. I think Smith will make his mark if he stays healthy and will do a great job stepping in for the couple players the Hawks lost this offseason. aka Frolik or Bolland. Speaking character wise for the most part even though I know Smith has a good talent package also. </p>


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As for Stanton being claimed off waivers by the Canucks? Sucks it was the Canucks but in my opinion not a loss as far as the Hawks go or even the Hogs to be honest. He's not the prospect that some think he is..he's not that good and his projection to improve isn't very high..he's gritty which is nice but he is probably a career AHLer. Look who claimed him off waivers..the Canucks. They can't judge talent..that should be proof enough that he's not a great prospect. eeeerrrr I should be careful with what I say..the hogs will actually probably miss him as he fits the AHL style. He will be forgotten in no time and in the future no one will remember his name. Fans over rate their prospects sometimes. Countless examples in the past 5-6 years with this fan base alone. </p>
 

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To me the biggest thing with the new players is which one can penalty kill now that "Frolic The Magnificent" is gone. Is Nordstrom that guy?</p>
 

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To me the biggest thing with the new players is which one can penalty kill now that "Frolic The Magnificent" is gone. Is Nordstrom that guy?</p>
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They say he has good chem w/Kruger, though Smith and Kruger are set to kill PKs together from what I've read.</p>
 

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Only a  matter of time before Zus is on the IR and Pirri is up getting his shot.  </p>
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I think the second line in general will be spending a lot of time on the IR this year.</p>
 

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I wonder if Kruger is sad that his PK BFF is gone. I sure will miss Frolic on the PK.


Still waiting on a scouting report for Nordstrom. Does he wear expensive clothes?
 

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I wonder if Kruger is sad that his PK BFF is gone. I sure will miss Frolic on the PK.


Still waiting on a scouting report for Nordstrom. Does he wear expensive clothes?</p>
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I wonder what his favorite foods, songs and movies are.   Or what his nick name growing up was.   These things keep me awake at night.</p>
 

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Chicago Blackhawks: Who Is Joakim Nordstrom?
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One of the Blackhawks players receiving an increasing amount of attention during the preseason has been 21-year-old forward Joakim Nordstrom. Now that he's made the Opening Night roster, many fans will be asking: who is this kid?</p>


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Nordstrom will be the first player from the Hawks' 2010 Draft class to make the NHL. He was the team's third round pick (90th overall) in the draft that followed the team's first Cup win in almost a half century; the demolition of that roster led to the Blackhawks having five picks in the first two rounds of that draft, making Nordstrom the team's sixth selection that summer.</p>


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Over the last four years, Nordstrom has spent most of his time playing with AIK in the Swedish Elite League. In 101 games with AIK in the SEL, Nordstrom contributed only 16 points (eight goals, eight assists). He signed his entry-level contract with the Blackhawks on May 29, 2012, but played most of last season with AIK again.</p>


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In 2012, Nordstrom helped lead Sweden to the gold medal at the 2012 World Junior Championships, where he tied for second on the team with four goals, ranked third with a plus-6 rating and posted five points (four goals, one assist) in six tournament games.</p>


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He joined the IceHogs for 11 games down the stretch last year and contributed three assists with 12 penalty minutes.</p>


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In four preseason games with the Hawks, Nordstrom is averaging 14:35 per night and has scored one goal. He has skated almost seven minutes of short-handed ice time, and has spent time on PK in each of the preseason games in which he has appeared. He has also seen time on the power play in three of his four preseason appearances, skating 2:31 with an advantage in the Hawks' shootout loss in Pittsburgh.</p>


Now, he's made the roster of the defending Stanley Cup champions. The Blackhawks will use him as a fourth line wing and as a penalty killer (in the Michael Frolik role).</p>


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The NHL has been patiently waiting for the 2010 Draft to make a significant impact on the league. Only half (15) of the players selected in the first round that year have played in more than 20 NHL games to date, and only six players selected after the first round in 2010 have played in more than 20 NHL games.</p>


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Tags: Chicago Blackhawks, Joakim Nordstrom, NHL, Stanley Cup</p>
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Aside from the statistics, he's a guy who isn't afraid to get into traffic and has a lot of hockey sense. + hands and feet too. The big question will be how his slight frame holds up over an NHL season. More or less a taller version of Kruger.</p>
 

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I think it's funny when guys worry about PKers. The AHL is filled with guys who can kill penalties and the Hawks still have Sharp, Toews, Hossa, Kruger around. So maybe Shaw, Nordstrom, Smith or Saad get some PK time.


While the PK was great with Frolik, I'm not worried that we can't find anyone to replace him.
 

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I think it's funny when guys worry about PKers. The AHL is filled with guys who can kill penalties and the Hawks still have Sharp, Toews, Hossa, Kruger around. So maybe Shaw, Nordstrom, Smith or Saad get some PK time.


While the PK was great with Frolik, I'm not worried that we can't find anyone to replace him.</p>
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I'm not worried about anything... just said I'd miss the Kruger/Frolik combo.</p>
 

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I think it's funny when guys worry about PKers. The AHL is filled with guys who can kill penalties and the Hawks still have Sharp, Toews, Hossa, Kruger around. So maybe Shaw, Nordstrom, Smith or Saad get some PK time.


While the PK was great with Frolik, I'm not worried that we can't find anyone to replace him.</p>
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I think it's a relevant concern. Where were all those AHL penalty killer aces when the Hawk's PK was ass the previous 2 years?</p>
 

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I think it's a relevant concern. Where were all those AHL penalty killer aces when the Hawk's PK was ass the previous 2 years?</p>
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 By my count, either (a) still developing in Rockford or (b) not on the ice for the PK or even not on the ice proper.</p>


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Further, our PK defenseman change quite a bit between 2012 and 2013.  Keith/Seabs weren't being run ragged, Hammer was allowed to play on his correct side and the rest of our Jennings-level D-core wasn't here.</p>


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I agree it's somewhat of a concern, but even so with vets or journeymen we have, Sharp, Hossa, Toews, and Kruger is a pretty strong PK FWD unit.  Between those "fallbacks" i'm sure we can find at least 1-2 new/mildly seasoned guys (Saad/Shaw/Nordberg come to mind) that could possibly be adequate and give Toews/Hoss/Sharp a breather.</p>
 

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 By my count, either (a) still developing in Rockford or ( B) not on the ice for the PK or even not on the ice proper.</p>


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Further, our PK defenseman change quite a bit between 2012 and 2013.  Keith/Seabs weren't being run ragged, Hammer was allowed to play on his correct side and the rest of our Jennings-level D-core wasn't here.</p>


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I agree it's somewhat of a concern, but even so with vets or journeymen we have, Sharp, Hossa, Toews, and Kruger is a pretty strong PK FWD unit.  Between those "fallbacks" i'm sure we can find at least 1-2 new/mildly seasoned guys (Saad/Shaw/Nordberg come to mind) that could possibly be adequate and give Toews/Hoss/Sharp a breather.</p>
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I'm not referring to  guys Ben Smith or Nordstrom, who are up on the team now, I was responding to the statement that the AHL in general is full of guys who can kill penalties. If so,  where were they those years? I believe there is something to say about what works on the PK and not just anyone can do it. I don't think it's a major concern, I would've liked to keep Frolik because it was a proven combination, proven chemistry there with Kruger on the first unit, but I understand why he was traded. Like I said during the season, it's too bad Frolik's cap hit is what it is, he had finally found his role.</p>
 

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I don't necessarily disagree with you, but I think for any team it's reletively easier to be a PK specialist at FWD than a lot of other positions just by it's nature.  If you're quick enough to keep the shooting/passing lanes covered, are willing to have an active stick, are willing to block a ton of shots, and can hit the opposing team's goal line with reasonably accuracy from the other side of the rink you can at least make an average PK'er.  At least it beats needing the skill to hit a stick-blade-sided target from across the rink without it getting intercepted, and being able to shoot through the shins in front of you pn the PP--skills that even Keith somethines can't do.</p>


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That being said, not every proskept can be a PK'er.  I wouldn't trust Bollig there for leg-speed alone.</p>


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But going back to the point of "where were the PK specialists in the AHL"? Are you referring to "Were the icehog teams in that era known for their PK?", or "Why didn't those guys crack the lineup?"</p>
 

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It's because it keeps being said whenever this comes up, in order to  try to diffuse or easily shrug off any sort of concern over the departure of Frolik from the PK, that there are always guys in the AHL that can do what he does. It's not the first time I've heard that, and I just don't believe that to be true over what we've seen the two years in between winning the Cup.  That doesn't mean I think they'll be horrible on the PK, it just means I think it's always easy to say "Yeah that guy can be replaced" when it comes to losing key pieces after winning it all. Because you still want to ride high on your team going into next season, which could mean taking for granted what guys like that meant to that team's success.</p>
 

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Fair enough.  I wish we could have kept Frolik too, but from a realistic standpoint how much of he & Kruger's success has to be shared with the penalty killing D and the netminding of Emery and Crawford?</p>


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I'm not marginalizing his talents, or Kruger's at all, but it is a team game. I don't know if whomever we tap to be Kruger's PK budy is going to be as-good as Frolik was--or even passable with our usualy d-parings and netiminfding on the pk, but if Kruger and Frolik were playing PK in front of Boynton, Cullimore, and Turco i don't think they'd look as good.</p>


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That's all I'm trying to point out.  Whatever new cog we get for the machine just has to be passable-at-wrost, and if not, we have 4 FWDS who have at one point in their careers near-term excelled on the PK, or were a shorthanded threat.</p>
 

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Boynton and Cullimore didn't play much PK though. It's basically been the same 3 main guys all 3 years Hammer, Keith and Seabrook. All playing similar minutes throughout the 3 years. give or take a minute, maybe two. And then the subtraction of Leddy who played maybe a minute average of PK when he did, and Campoli/Campbell, both around the same amount maybe a bit more, with Oduya taking over that spot. I think Frolik did play a large part, the only forward who averaged more time on the PK was his line mate Kruger, with only a mere 6 seconds difference and the only other player who averaged more than them was Hammer, who being a d-man will almost always amass more ice time than most any forward.</p>
 

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I think it's funny when guys worry about PKers. The AHL is filled with guys who can kill penalties and the Hawks still have Sharp, Toews, Hossa, Kruger around. So maybe Shaw, Nordstrom, Smith or Saad get some PK time.


While the PK was great with Frolik, I'm not worried that we can't find anyone to replace him.</p>
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I didn't mention being worried about the PK in my post so I know you weren't talking about me. Its nice to have a 4th line player as effective as Frolic was on the 3rd ranked PK last season behind Ottawa and Toronto. My point is, will any of the new players be as effective as Frolic ? Sure you can plug various players in to that role </p>


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 It has to be great for a coach to have a 4th line guy as effective as Frolic was thus allowing players like Sharp, Toews, Hossa to stay fresh for their shifts, and occasional use for crucial kills.</p>
 

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