OT: CWebb´s Top 5 PG

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Nash and Williams are like apples and oranges in terms of their offense. Nash is a pass first, second, third, and fourth type of PG. Williams is more of a scorer. This is why Nash has been averaging over 10 assists per game for the past 6 years or something. He doesn't shoot nearly as much as Williams because that's just not who he is. However he has shown he is capable to as a scorer, maybe not in the same magnitude as Williams, but he still averaged 18 ppg in his prime. On top of that, you look at the years where he took a lot of 3s (relative to himself) which is over 4 a game, he was still hitting at a higher rate than Williams. In the years where Williams took 4.9 3s a game (the past 3 years I believe) he was making less than Nash both numbers wise and percentage wise. So actually, Nash has gotten away with shooting almost as many 3s as Williams, made more (2007-08 was his best year shooting where he made 47% of his 3s on 4.7 attempts per game) at a higher percentage, AND still averaged double digit assists per game. And yes, Williams is a lot better than Nash at drawing fouls. Nash scores most of his points on jumpers, Williams drives a lot more and of course that results in more FTAs. Williams having his efficiency helped by shooting more free throws doesn't mean he's more efficient than Nash. Tell me with a straight face that if Nash shot 6, 7, 8, 9 FTAs a game that he still wouldn't shoot 90+%. Dude's right up there with Ray Allen in terms of being automatic at the line.

Nash is at 86% this year but in general you are right. FT% (unlike 2pt% and 3pt%) do not go down with the number of FTA's you get. You make very good points though.

 

[clonetrooper264]

D-WILL:
5.2 / 6 (FT's) (5.2 pts per 3 possessions)
5.0 /11.2 (two's) (10 pts per 11.2 possessions)
2.4 /6.6 (three's) (7.2 pts per 6.6 possessions)

(20.8 total possessions)

22.4 PPG


NASH:
1.9 / 2.2 (1.9 per 0.73)
4.3 / 7.3 (8.6 per 7.3)
1.1 / 2.7 (3.3 per 2.7)

(10.73 possessions total)

13.8 PPG


Nash: 1.28 per scoring attempt poss
Williams: 1.07 per scoring attempt poss

Nash is more efficient than Williams in terms of scoring but Williams still brings more in terms of scoring. If Nash's role on his team was the same as Williams' is now then he would not be as efficient of a scorer. But Williams job is option A while Nash's is option B. Williams has about 10 more possessions than Nash does every game attempting to score so he obviously demands more defensive attention than Nash in terms of the defense expecting a player to score.

I'm not arguing that Nash is a better scorer. He's not a scorer, he's a passer. Williams is THE man in NJ and yes he is a better scorer. You said that Williams was more efficient because he took more 3s. I argued that Nash was more efficient because he shoots everything at a higher percentage. Nash attracts attention not because of his scoring ability, though he has the ability to score if he has to, but because of his ability to pass. If you were guarding Deron Williams, you're guarding him to try to prevent him from scoring, like you said. If you're guarding Nash, you're kind of at a loss because he's such a good passer that you have to try to cut off those lanes, but at the same time he's such a deadly shooter that you have to play up on him. Two different styles, two different impacts. If you ask me which player I'd rather build my team around or which player is better overall, I'm taking Williams every time, but going back to the original argument which was who is a better 3pt shooter, I'm going Nash every time.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Nash is at 86% this year but in general you are right. FT% (unlike 2pt% and 3pt%) do not go down with the number of FTA's you get. You make very good points though.

Yeah he's probably closer to 88% than 90% for his career, but point is still the same, the guy's automatic.

Thanks for the compliment, I tip my hat off to you as well. Good friendly discussion...hard to find sometimes. xD

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Well, it is possible to shoot less than another player and still be a more efficient scorer as I showed in the example. That just isn't the case with Nash and Williams though. Nash is more efficient.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Well, it is possible to shoot less than another player and still be a more efficient scorer as I showed in the example. That just isn't the case with Nash and Williams though. Nash is more efficient.

I assume by less you mean percentage wise, and yes that could happen and probably does happen somewhere. And even in the case you provided, is .03 points per possession going to make a huge difference? I'm just saying...xD In general the player with better percentages is more efficient.

 

[BNB]

Ric Buchers Top 5 list is more interesting... to say the least.

his is:

1. Rose
2. Westbrook
3. Williams
4. Parker
5. Paul

paul at 5?!?!!?

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Ric Buchers Top 5 list is more interesting... to say the least.

his is:

1. Rose
2. Westbrook
3. Williams
4. Parker
5. Paul

paul at 5?!?!!?

He's on drugs.

 

[thechosenone]

Ric Buchers Top 5 list is more interesting... to say the least.

his is:

1. Rose
2. Westbrook
3. Williams
4. Parker
5. Paul

paul at 5?!?!!?

If he is talking about this season and not in general I would agree with him in having Westbrook and Parker over Paul..

My list for this season is:
1.Rose
2.Westbrook
3.Parker
4.Paul
5.Rondo
6.DWill