OT: Eagles fan fired

[PrideisBears]

You seemed to be defending his right to say it. Maybe I missed your point.

I just think people should be able to go to NFL games with their families and not have to deal with this.

Here’s the thing, you can be sued if you cancel his right to make your experience at an nfl game unbearable

 

[Certified Troll]

You can be cancelled by your employer if they see you doing shitty things.

They have that right.

 

[Les Grossman]

You seemed to be defending his right to say it. Maybe I missed your point.

I just think people should be able to go to NFL games with their families and not have to deal with this.

Agree.

If you have to piss on someone else’s parade just to have fun yourself, you should probably talk to a professional about that.

 

[Certified Troll]

Agree.

If you have to piss on someone else’s parade just to have fun yourself, you should probably talk to a professional about that.

And if your employer sees you do that they can fire you.

 

[ijustposthere]

I seriously dislike the culture where you can be fired for words said not on the clock. Freedom of Speech.....Just watch what you say.

Freedom of Speech does not apply in this instance. What you want is Freedom from Consequences.

 

[GoBears]

Hahaha. I’m gonna take a few of them with me. I’ll take my chances against drunk fat fucks any day of the week.

So let's chart this out. They scream horrible things at your wife. Instead of recording it and calling security, you throw the first punch. You're obviously a superhero so let's say you "take a few of them with you." But this is the real world and no one, no one, can fight against a mob. Someone wraps their arms around you and you starting eating punches. You're now unconscious on the ground and being kicked repeatedly in the face for who knows how long. Want to know your chances for permanent, life-changing brain damage? It's a lot higher than you actually "taking a few of them with you." After a month, you finally awake from a coma. Let's pretend you haven't lost your ability to speak and still have basic understandings of who you are. Your first piece of mail is a medical bill that's larger than three lifetimes of working. Your second piece of mail is a summons from criminal court for the battery of many people during the football game. Dozens of eye-witnesses agree that you threw the first punch. They also all agree that it was you who were trash talking and making insults. You have no recording to prove them wrong. The only recordings are ones that started after you threw the first punch, showing a dumbass starting a fight against a crowd. You're looking at years in prison. And you're probably going there because you're guilty and the evidence is overwhelming. The next piece of mail is a summons to civil court. All of those people you "took with you" are now suing you in civil court for medical bills and pain and suffering. Probably millions of dollars (this jury will be people from Philly and you are the out of state jerk that came to the game looking for a fight, in their view). And you're going to lose because you are liable. You've also been fired from your job for acting like a lunatic and starting a brawl at a football game (assuming the mental an physical injuries you sustained after being beaten to hell by a mob haven't rendered you unable to do your job in the first place)...

When I look at all this, I think the guy who actually recorded the asshole fans and restrained himself from escalating a terrible situation seems like more of a man to me. And he's definitely smarter because he's getting the last laugh on this guy in a major way. Honestly, I hope his wife is already contacting lawyers about the civil assault* she endured at the game (conveniently recorded on his cell phone). I'd also bring in the football stadium (where the real money is) because just where exactly was security during this? Will they win in court? Well, the asshole fan is dead to rights. The only question is whether or not there was reasonable fear for the woman. The stadium? Probably not but it's possible the stadium will want the mess not to go to court and offer a settlement, in which case, take the free money.

Thank you for the fun thought experiment.

* Assault might sound strange because the asshole Philly fan never touched the wife. What I'm talking about is Civil Assault which is different from Criminal Assault. Civil Assault is defined as:
"any intentional act that is meant to cause a "reasonable apprehension of imminent and harmful contact"—that is, an action that made someone (the victim) expect that they were about to be hurt or, at least, touched in a potentially harmful way by the offender. In most states, the victim's apprehension or fear of imminent harm—as long as it's a reasonable response to the situation—is all that's necessary in order for an act to be considered an assault under personal injury law. The specific legal requirements vary by state."

 

[Noonthirtyjoe]

So let's chart this out. They scream horrible things at your wife. Instead of recording it and calling security, you throw the first punch. You're obviously a superhero so let's say you "take a few of them with you." But this is the real world and no one, no one, can fight against a mob. Someone wraps their arms around you and you starting eating punches. You're now unconscious on the ground and being kicked repeatedly in the face for who knows how long. Want to know your chances for permanent, life-changing brain damage? It's a lot higher than you actually "taking a few of them with you." After a month, you finally awake from a coma. Let's pretend you haven't lost your ability to speak and still have basic understandings of who you are. Your first piece of mail is a medical bill that's larger than three lifetimes of working. Your second piece of mail is a summons from criminal court for the battery of many people during the football game. Dozens of eye-witnesses agree that you threw the first punch. They also all agree that it was you who were trash talking and making insults. You have no recording to prove them wrong. The only recordings are ones that started after you threw the first punch, showing a dumbass starting a fight against a crowd. You're looking at years in prison. And you're probably going there because you're guilty and the evidence is overwhelming. The next piece of mail is a summons to civil court. All of those people you "took with you" are now suing you in civil court for medical bills and pain and suffering. Probably millions of dollars (this jury will be people from Philly and you are the out of state jerk that came to the game looking for a fight, in their view). And you're going to lose because you are liable. You've also been fired from your job for acting like a lunatic and starting a brawl at a football game (assuming the mental an physical injuries you sustained after being beaten to hell by a mob haven't rendered you unable to do your job in the first place)...

When I look at all this, I think the guy who actually recorded the asshole fans and restrained himself from escalating a terrible situation seems like more of a man to me. And he's definitely smarter because he's getting the last laugh on this guy in a major way. Honestly, I hope his wife is already contacting lawyers about the civil assault she endured at the game (conveniently recorded on his cell phone). I'd also bring in the football stadium (where the real money is) because just where exactly was security during this? Will they win in court? Well, the asshole fan is dead to rights. The only question is whether or not there was reasonable fear for the woman. The stadium? Probably not but it's possible the stadium will want the mess not to go to court and offer a settlement, in which case, take the free money.

Thank you for the fun thought experiment.

* Assault might sound strange because the asshole Philly fan never touched the wife. What I'm talking about is Civil Assault which is different from Criminal Assault. Civil Assault is defined as:
"any intentional act that is meant to cause a "reasonable apprehension of imminent and harmful contact"—that is, an action that made someone (the victim) expect that they were about to be hurt or, at least, touched in a potentially harmful way by the offender. In most states, the victim's apprehension or fear of imminent harm—as long as it's a reasonable response to the situation—is all that's necessary in order for an act to be considered an assault under personal injury law. The specific legal requirements vary by state."

That is a lot of excuses to do nothing but take it. Different strokes for different folks.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

I seriously dislike the culture where you can be fired for words said not on the clock. Freedom of Speech.....Just watch what you say.

This isn't a freedom of speech issue.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

It's going to be a long 4 years.

Luckily, with what I imagine is a cholesterol level in the four digits you won't have to worry about all four years.

 

[GoBears]

That is a lot of excuses to do nothing but take it. Different strokes for different folks.

One guy's life is destroyed. The other guy plays the best card in a bad hand and, at worst, comes out even (although most likely way ahead). Like you said, some people can't help themselves and are they're own worst enemies.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

MuH hAtErz FoLlOw mE aRouNd!

Sorry that the GOAT embarrassed you again.

 

[PrideisBears]

That is a lot of excuses to do nothing but take it. Different strokes for different folks.

We know you would’ve summoned your inner cobra tate and took everyone out, bro!

 

[HeHateMe]

We know you would’ve summoned your inner cobra tate and took everyone out, bro!

He's okay with the value proposition of being in a permanent coma after being jumped by a dozen Eagles fans because he's only so far off from being a vegetable brane currently

 

[NeverDieEasy]

Don’t know where you’re from but most rural Americans I know don’t call other peoples wives c*nts to their face.

unless they really are cu*nts

 

[Noonthirtyjoe]

We know you would’ve summoned your inner cobra tate and took everyone out, bro!

As long as you know. I don't care about the rest.

 

[Noonthirtyjoe]

One guy's life is destroyed. The other guy plays the best card in a bad hand and, at worst, comes out even (although most likely way ahead). Like you said, some people can't help themselves and are they're own worst enemies.

Destroyed?

 

[gallagher]

The amount of idiots and drinking at NFL games is pretty crazy. I would never take my kids to a game. Too much macho BS to put up with.

This is a near-universal experience for me across sports, to be honest. Sports are a fake-macho man-child magnet.

 

[GoBears]

Destroyed?

Wouldn't you say having a high probability of brain damage, unfathomable debt from medical bills, being charged with criminal battery, being sued multiple times for civil battery and losing your job is pretty much the destruction of a life? If not, just how shitty is your life?

Look, I get it. You can't back down and admit that starting a fight because some drunk dumbass insulted your wife would be a bad decision that would likely lead to the above. So, let me soothe what's obviously a very fragile sense of self-esteem.

So a drunk dumbass calls your wife every name in the book at the game. You graciously give him a chance to back down but he doesn't because he's the type of person that bases his manliness upon what other men think of him. You strike out! Like lightning, the man suffers three---no four---- blows to the head. His own wife gasps as finally, FINALLY, her abusive husband who also happens to torture puppies has had his comeuppence. But it's not over yet. His gang of friends circle around you. Cell phones come out. One spectator is actually a live action news reporter and he begins to livestream the event. You deliver a vicious back kick to the man behind you. He flies backward and the special teams coach for the Eagles takes note (you will later receive a job offer from the team to be their kicker). Another man flies in but you catch his punch midair with your fist of steel, breaking his hand. A third man tries to bearhug you but you somersault three rows backwards to escape and then race forward! Your roundhouse punch sends him to the deck.
Meanwhile, the nation gasps as the reporter's livestream is picked up and also the network televising the game covers the fight. The jumbotron shows the fight and your name appears underneath the screen (they checked your seat number against the name of who bought the ticket really fast). The rest of the thugs back away as you growl in a manly voice that they should reconsider their actions. The crowd goes wild, chanting your name! The original man's wife runs to your side and kisses you for saving her from a life of abuse. She wants to reward you and your own wife, realizing you are too much man for any, single woman, agrees. The NFL also finds you and offers you season tickets to every football game, everywhere. Finally, the Secret Service puts you on retainer to teach them self defense.

There. I admit that this is probably the most likely scenario of you starting a physical altercation against a group of dumbfuck, drunk Eagles' fans at a football stadium. Thanks again for the thought experiment. This is fun.

 

[gallagher]

Ok dumbass

First off you didn’t provide two examples, who provided half of one in your first link, the second “example” is you asking on a free consultation site if “you can sue if you get canceled” and them saying yes but it’ll be hard to prove

As far as your first example goes, it’s some dumb broad who bragged about going to the Jan 6th riots, her being fired by her employer over whatever, her suing and literally no out come.


This is why people consider you a fucking moron. You can easily sue over wrongful termination or defamation BUT YOU HAVE TO PROVE IT

When I was a practicing attorney, my firm was contacted by a few people who were fired for their online activity. It is really, really hard to prove that you were discriminated against for political speech made in private, and we never took those cases because each case relied on circumstantial evidence at best (some had no actual evidence that their employer had even seen their tweets). It is such a narrow target to hit and your client is probably going to ruin his own life in the process, because everything that that person does on the job and online is at risk of becoming more evidence for the court record. Such is the problem for the terminally-online.

Now, his comment on anti-doxxing doxxers is not my business to comment on.

 

[PrideisBears]

When I was a practicing attorney, my firm was contacted by a few people who were fired for their online activity. It is really, really hard to prove that you were discriminated against for political speech made in private, and we never took those cases because each case relied on circumstantial evidence at best (some had no actual evidence that their employer had even seen their tweets). It is such a narrow target to hit and your client is probably going to ruin his own life in the process, because everything that that person does on the job and online is at risk of becoming more evidence for the court record. Such is the problem for the terminally-online.

Now, his comment on anti-doxxing doxxers is not my business to comment on.

Bullshit! You must not have seen the one example he provided that didn’t even have a conclusion. Now who should I believe, you some guy who was a practicing attorney or @Mighty Joe Young who automatically believes anyone he sees on twitter?