OT: Jayden Daniels is the diva people thought Caleb Williams was

[Anytime23]

Robert Schmitz had a very in-depth look at his stats and scrambling at LSU. It did not paint him in a good light.

No, he’s regurgitating the work done by StartKyleOrton. Schmitz knows schitz

 

[sevvy]

I would take Maye second too. He may be a huge bust but I think he has more upside than any QB not named Caleb in this draft.

I think he's the 2nd best QB in the draft. I also think people have really harped on the 2023 college season more than the total body of work for all these QBs. Which is how some people have Jayden Daniels as their #1 QB over both Caleb Williams and Drake Maye.

And honestly, thinking Jayden Daniels is a better prospect than Caleb Williams is insane to me. I feel like Williams is by FAR the best QB prospect in a very long time. But I'm just a casual fan, so wtf do I know?

 

[sevvy]

No, he’s regurgitating the work done by StartKyleOrton. Schmitz knows schitz

Annnnnnnnnnnd he's kinda fucking annoying...

 

[Anytime23]

Annnnnnnnnnnd he's kinda fucking annoying...

There is a reason why guys like Schmitz are always later on content than other people, because they need content to leech off of. Schmitz, like anyone DBB affiliated, is a complete fraud.

Edit: and also too big of a pussy to post on CCS.

 

[hyatt151]

no but that doesn't explain his teammates, coaches and staff being glad he was gone from ASU. also read they trashed his locker after he left

or his manager being a complete moron on social media

or his mother being the controlling one that everyone thought Carl was

don't remember any of the Carl or Caleb anti bears talk being confirmed, I THINK IT WAS More the bears stick with Justin fans pushing that trash

 

[bamainatlanta]

No, he’s regurgitating the work done by StartKyleOrton. Schmitz knows schitz

I’ve never heard of StartKyleOrton. Will look him up.

 

[greg23]

The recruiting scandal ASU just went through was entirely over Jayden Daniels threatening to leave if they didnt bring in better players for him. They did with the help of his mother who paid for plane tickets for kids to come in during the COVID lock down.

ASU brought in a unprecedented (for them) 4....4-star WRs. They didn't mesh well and Daniels transferred after spring practice to LSU.
If a team wants to hitch their wagon to a guy who had year of production and didn't look even draftable a year ago I'll sit and watch Daniels bust. Jayden Daniels is not an NFL level QB and given that 70 percent of first round picks bust I'll trust my judgement over the judgement of NFL scouts on Jayden Daniels.

Agreed

He's my #1 pick to bust at qb

 

[Toast88]

My, my, how the turntables…

 

[Wild_x_Card]

The recruiting scandal ASU just went through was entirely over Jayden Daniels threatening to leave if they didnt bring in better players for him. They did with the help of his mother who paid for plane tickets for kids to come in during the COVID lock down.

ASU brought in a unprecedented (for them) 4....4-star WRs. They didn't mesh well and Daniels transferred after spring practice to LSU.
If a team wants to hitch their wagon to a guy who had year of production and didn't look even draftable a year ago I'll sit and watch Daniels bust. Jayden Daniels is not an NFL level QB and given that 70 percent of first round picks bust I'll trust my judgement over the judgement of NFL scouts on Jayden Daniels.

Kinda funny. Where was this same energy for Burrow? Elite wrs, a transfer and one year of production...Your Daniels Fields comp was and is extremely lazy. One of these things is not like the other.

When Daniels starts throwing dots right of the rip under Kingsbury people with takes like this will have their head in the sand.

 

[cameronkrazie86]

I would add that, and again this sounds weird, but the Bears did it the right way with Williams. Yes, they had other players in for the 30 visit at the same time but it was not other QBs. And they also had him meet with current team veterans to see how they all interacted. IMO, that is what you would really want to know - how he might interact with actual potential teammates. And how your actual current players interact with the new guy.

Who gives a shit how a given player gets along with other QB's in the same draft class? None of them will be teammates. And if you think need a visit to top golf to try and figure out who is a more competitive QB then I would say that your evals are doomed from the start.

I agree with you. I also wouldn't wait until the last week before the draft to be inviting such a large group of prospects to visit at the same time. Gives off the impression that the Commies didn't do their homework and now are scrambling at the finish line just to get the proverbial assignment done.

I read this is also what San Fran does.

Think the bigger issue is not the group aspect of it but that one camp expected an individual interview and the other camp didn’t. The lack of communication would be my concern.

As much as I hate group interviews, SF would get the benefit of the doubt from me because they've been good for an extended stretch. But I would absolutely not want to go there either if they pulled something similar. If you've got to deceive me to visit by selectively omitting information (like that it's a group interview with 19 other prospects), it's not going to work out. I'd feel disrespected and wouldn't want anything to do with that organization. Be respectful of my time and be up front, then we're all good. It would be hard to have a trusting relationship with that organization when you're starting off a relationship like that.

 

[TL1961]

I wouldn't read too much into any move a team makes, such as Washington bringing in several players at once. And it certainly seems funny to indict them while simultaneously saying it's OK that San Fran did it.

But just because Jayden Daniels gets his panties in a bunch doesn't mean some team is wrong.

I am so glad we won't be drafting that guy.

 

[bearsfan1977]

I think he’s one of the most overrated prospects in this draft. He usually had all day to throw, mediocre arm talent, 2 1st round WRs to throw to. I don’t think he ever really looked to throw out of the pocket. Undersized. Great athlete, though. He reminds me of a smaller Fields with not nearly the level of arm talent.

Those things alone, without getting into the diva stuff, gives me concern.

I think he has bust written all over him. I would take McCarthy over him, and certainly Maye.

Great athlete though.

 

[Canth]

I wouldn't read too much into any move a team makes, such as Washington bringing in several players at once. And it certainly seems funny to indict them while simultaneously saying it's OK that San Fran did it.

But just because Jayden Daniels gets his panties in a bunch doesn't mean some team is wrong.

I am so glad we won't be drafting that guy.

It's not unusual for teams to bring in multiple players at a time for a top 30 visit. This is the first time I have heard about a team doing that with QB's and when you are talking about the #2 overall pick. The 49ers sure as hell did not do that when they traded up for the #3 overall pick. I think I read somewhere that during the visit they did eventually separate the players to give them some individual time. They brought in what, 4 QB's? So that means they got 1/4 of the individual time as they could have if they had brought them in on separate visits like every other team.

I actually agree with PFT that it sounded like they had them come at the same time to meet Josh Harris's schedule. While there is nothing technically wrong with that, the communication to the prospects on what was going on was clearly lacking. I think that highlights potential issues with your organization when you either cannot clearly communicate plans to set expectations or you just flat out don't respect your people and future employees/players to think they deserve that level of communication.

 

[cameronkrazie86]

I wouldn't read too much into any move a team makes, such as Washington bringing in several players at once. And it certainly seems funny to indict them while simultaneously saying it's OK that San Fran did it.

But just because Jayden Daniels gets his panties in a bunch doesn't mean some team is wrong.

I am so glad we won't be drafting that guy.

My perspective stems entirely from the fact I don't like group interviews in any setting. I can't imagine SF is not telling players up front that there will be another prospect(s) visiting at the same time. I follow a lot of SF based reporters because of the Warriors and have never read that as being the case. So that's why I say they'd get the benefit of the doubt from me. Washington doesn't get any benefit of the doubt because they've been a disaster org for 2/3 of my life and this seems like more of the same.

 

[IBleedBearsBlood]

My perspective stems entirely from the fact I don't like group interviews in any setting. I can't imagine SF is not telling players up front that there will be another prospect(s) visiting at the same time. I follow a lot of SF based reporters because of the Warriors and have never read that as being the case. So that's why I say they'd get the benefit of the doubt from me. Washington doesn't get any benefit of the doubt because they've been a disaster org for 2/3 of my life and this seems like more of the same.

I hear you. But every organization does do their thing their own way. At the end of the day, they are the ones making an investment with these players. They have to scope everyone out there they think seems fit for their team. And they also get to know players that are out of reach, just in case they get an opportunity to have them later in their career in a trade or free agency.

 

[jsu34]

Sounds like the commanders don't all agree on who the pick should be.

 

[Myk]

Sounds like the commanders don't all agree on who the pick should be.

I could see it with a lower pick but I'd think #2 would be as much of a shoe in as #1.

Even if you needed a side by side with multiples I wouldn't think it would need to be with all of them. If you need that you haven't done any homework. What have your scouts been doing?

 

[dentfan]

I would take Maye second too. He may be a huge bust but I think he has more upside than any QB not named Caleb in this draft.

Word. Maye has issues shotputting the ball like once or twice a game. Much as I’ve liked him since ASU, Daniels has a very weak arm. CeeDubz has been QB1 in this draft, and it never has been close.

Maye is a top prospect because of his size and big arm.

 

[TL1961]

My perspective stems entirely from the fact I don't like group interviews in any setting. I can't imagine SF is not telling players up front that there will be another prospect(s) visiting at the same time. I follow a lot of SF based reporters because of the Warriors and have never read that as being the case. So that's why I say they'd get the benefit of the doubt from me. Washington doesn't get any benefit of the doubt because they've been a disaster org for 2/3 of my life and this seems like more of the same.

I certainly see where you're coming from. I don't mean to say I think Washington handled the best way. Just that the whole story may be somewhat overblown.

The people in Washington are completely new. None of them has been a disaster NFL org for any amount of time. Maybe they will prove to be, but they aren't any part of Washington's recent history.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

ASU was rotten to the core. I could give 2 $h1tz what they have to say regarding Daniels. They shouldn't be allowed to fields a football team as far as I'm concerned.

I'm glad Daniels wasn't happy about what WAS did. The other QBs should be as well.

He had Johnny Wilson and Rickey Pearsall at ASU I'm sure you know who they are...