OT: Just When I Thought It Couldnt Get Any Worse for BG7

[CODE_BLUE56]

Yea he sucked so bad that he brought the Bulls back to the playoffs for the 1st time since '98 & won the 6th man of the year award, as a rookie.

Yea BG is truly awful.

1.citing the fact that ben gordon won the 6th man of the year as a rookie doesn't make ben gordon not suck now...

2. ben gordon had a bit to do with the bulls getting back to the playoffs...but he had a little help from eddy curry,nocioni,deng,etc....

he has always been limited dimensionally..when he scored 20 a game he was good because at least he was good at what he could actually do

all he does is shoot and score..and he wasn't that efficient at it either

and now he's not really the same player anymore

 

[clonetrooper264]

At shooting, he is great.

If he was an average shooter, he never would have come CLOSE to making an NBA team.

He sucks at every other facet.

I guess his shooting is so great that he would go from not being close to an NBA team to the #3 pick...

Because teams pick players that can only shoot with the #3 pick. Makes perfect sense.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

I guess his shooting is so great that he would go from not being close to an NBA team to the #3 pick...

Because teams pick players that can only shoot with the #3 pick. Makes perfect sense.

Michael Olawakandi- #1 pick. Kwame Brown (couldn't do anything) - #1 pick.

It figures that the guy who drafted Kwame also would be the one to trade for Gordon.

Ben Gordon is a lights-out shooter. There is arguably NOTHING that he had as apart of his game that was greater than league average. And mostly, it was well under league average.

 

[clonetrooper264]

1.citing the fact that ben gordon won the 6th man of the year as a rookie doesn't make ben gordon not suck now...

2. ben gordon had a bit to do with the bulls getting back to the playoffs...but he had a little help from eddy curry,nocioni,deng,etc....

he has always been limited dimensionally..when he scored 20 a game he was good because at least he was good at what he could actually do

all he does is shoot and score..and he wasn't that efficient at it either

and now he's not really the same player anymore

Eddy Curry...:andruw:

Well he did average like 17 points for us for a season or something, so I'll give him that.

Deng was injured for half of his career with the Bulls when BG was here was I think was only healthy for one playoff series. I loved Noc to death when he was here, but what did he average, like 13 points a game? Not even that?

I'd say that Kirk Hinrich and Ben Gordon were the two biggest reasons that the Bulls were able to become a playoff team.


Don't even bother trying to say Gordon wasn't efficient as a scorer. That's total BS. You just had a debate where you brought up that Steve Nash was more efficient than Lebron James. What barometers did you use? FG%, 3pt%, and FT%. Gordon has an average FG%, great 3pt%, and a great FT%. I'll concede that he has sucked in Detroit, but it's funny how going from playing 35 mpg as a starter on a contending team to a 6th man playing maybe 28 mpg on a garbage team has altered his stats...

 

[clonetrooper264]

Michael Olawakandi- #1 pick. Kwame Brown (couldn't do anything) - #1 pick.

It figures that the guy who drafted Kwame also would be the one to trade for Gordon.

Ben Gordon is a lights-out shooter. There is arguably NOTHING that he had as apart of his game that was greater than league average. And mostly, it was well under league average.

I suppose you will argue then that John Paxson is a garbage GM then.

Yeah nothing he had that was better than the league average...except shooting and scoring.

BG is a scorer. He can do that very well. Sure he doesn't do much else, but I'm not saying he does.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

I suppose you will argue then that John Paxson is a garbage GM then.

Yeah nothing he had that was better than the league average...except shooting and scoring.

BG is a scorer. He can do that very well. Sure he doesn't do much else, but I'm not saying he does.

Other than shooting, there is not much else that makes or made Ben Gordon worthy of his "scorer" label you and others like to give him.

He had terrible ball-handling ability. He had moderate athleticism for his position but was undersized.

I prefer the "shooter" label better.

 

[clonetrooper264]

Other than shooting, there is not much else that makes or made Ben Gordon worthy of his "scorer" label you and others like to give him.

He had terrible ball-handling ability. He had moderate athleticism for his position but was undersized.

I prefer the "shooter" label better.

I wasn't aware scorers had to do things other than score points to be labelled scorers.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Eddy Curry...:andruw:

Well he did average like 17 points for us for a season or something, so I'll give him that.

Deng was injured for half of his career with the Bulls when BG was here was I think was only healthy for one playoff series. I loved Noc to death when he was here, but what did he average, like 13 points a game? Not even that?

I'd say that Kirk Hinrich and Ben Gordon were the two biggest reasons that the Bulls were able to become a playoff team.


Don't even bother trying to say Gordon wasn't efficient as a scorer. That's total BS. You just had a debate where you brought up that Steve Nash was more efficient than Lebron James. What barometers did you use? FG%, 3pt%, and FT%. Gordon has an average FG%, great 3pt%, and a great FT%. I'll concede that he has sucked in Detroit, but it's funny how going from playing 35 mpg as a starter on a contending team to a 6th man playing maybe 28 mpg on a garbage team has altered his stats...

his FG% was never very good....i guess he's not really an inefficient scorer in the overall sense

but he often has to take alot of shots to be a factor...and when his shot is off he becomes a black hole

i never said gordon wasn't a factor in them getting to the playoffs...but other guys were as well..that's the point..he didn't single handedly lead them back

gordon was good when he was with chicago..i'm not going to argue that

the bigger point is that ben gordon sucks now

 

[Axl Rose]

it angers me when ppl talk down on the GOD BG

but let somebody mention Kirk Hinrich and everybodys panties get wet

yall disgust me

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Other than shooting, there is not much else that makes or made Ben Gordon worthy of his "scorer" label you and others like to give him.

He had terrible ball-handling ability. He had moderate athleticism for his position but was undersized.

I prefer the "shooter" label better.

semantics, really

either label is fine

ben was a premier scorer in the league, but not a versatile one

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

it angers me when ppl talk down on the GOD BG

but let somebody mention Kirk Hinrich and everybodys panties get wet

yall disgust me

As overrated as Kirk was,

Hinrich > BG

 

[clonetrooper264]

his FG% was never very good....i guess he's not really an inefficient scorer in the overall sense

but he often has to take alot of shots to be a factor...and when his shot is off he becomes a black hole

i never said gordon wasn't a factor in them getting to the playoffs...but other guys were as well..that's the point..he didn't single handedly lead them back

gordon was good when he was with chicago..i'm not going to argue that

the bigger point is that ben gordon sucks now

His efficiency was always about average. The years he had a lower FG%, he also still shot over 40% from 3 and over 83% from the line so that probably balanced it out a bit. There's nothing really to say that he was an inefficient scorer.

I never said Gordon single handedly led them back either, I said he had one of the biggest roles in leading them back. Arguing different points I guess.

Gordon sucks now...yes he does. Wasn't arguing that either.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

His efficiency was always about average. The years he had a lower FG%, he also still shot over 40% from 3 and over 83% from the line so that probably balanced it out a bit. There's nothing really to say that he was an inefficient scorer.

I never said Gordon single handedly led them back either, I said he had one of the biggest roles in leading them back. Arguing different points I guess.

Gordon sucks now...yes he does. Wasn't arguing that either.

i know you're not, that's just my overall point

diddy made it seem as if gordon's role was a little bigger than it actually was

average efficiency..i guess....not sure what can be construed as average

ben gordon definitely sucks now..since this is talking about a trade that happened now that's alot more relevant than shit that happened when he was in chicago

 

[clonetrooper264]

As overrated as Kirk was,

Hinrich > BG

Before the merge, I was probably the single biggest Hinrich fan on Bullspodcasters.com...and even I thought BG > Kirk.

Just because Hinrich could do more things at an above average rate that Gordon doesn't automatically make him better.

At their peaks I figured them to be about the same...neither was definitely better than the other. BG scored the points, Kirk passed him the ball and played the defense that BG never could. They fit pretty well together imo...:dunno:

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

pretty much agree with clone..hard for me to say which one was better because their roles were different and,in a way, complemented each other

 

[clonetrooper264]

i know you're not, that's just my overall point

diddy made it seem as if gordon's role was a little bigger than it actually was

average efficiency..i guess....not sure what can be construed as average

ben gordon definitely sucks now..since this is talking about a trade that happened now that's alot more relevant than shit that happened when he was in chicago

Using TS% I think average is like...54% or so? BG usually hovered around that. He had a down year once while he was here and he's been a bit under that since he's been with Detroit I believe.

I took Rami's statement of Ben Gordon sucks to mean that he was NEVER good and that he's always sucked (sorta like Kwame Brown and Michael Olowokani, the lovely examples he brought up). I still think that the old BG is in there somewhere...but I doubt we'll ever see it again. I think playing in losing situations has made him not really care a whole lot about doing well. Probably part of the reason he sucks right now.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

pretty much agree with clone..hard for me to say which one was better because their roles were different and,in a way, complemented each other

Hinrich was the reason they could complement each other because he was a PG capable of guarding some wings. And could do a lot more things in general.

Plus, Hinrich was an above average three-point shooter.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

Hinrich was the reason they could complement each other because he was a PG capable of guarding some wings. And could do a lot more things in general.

Plus, Hinrich was an above average three-point shooter.

gordon was the guy who could control the game offensively in late game situations and was the better shooter and overall scorer

when you think about importance to the team and skill, i think it's close to a wash

i guess i could see the argument that hinrich is a little better...but it's not by much if anything

 

[clonetrooper264]

Hinrich was the reason they could complement each other because he was a PG capable of guarding some wings. And could do a lot more things in general.

Plus, Hinrich was an above average three-point shooter.

Soooo....the reason they complimented each other was because one of them complimented the other. :clap:

Hinrich was above average...whoopdeedoo. BG was and elite 3pt shooter and an elite scorer.

 

[Axl Rose]

I still think that the old BG is in there somewhere...but I doubt we'll ever see it again. I think playing in losing situations has made him not really care a whole lot about doing well. Probably part of the reason he sucks right now.

thats what ive been sayin

you still see flashes of the old BG (ex. that nuggets game last year were he dropped 45 pts/9 3's)