OT: Just When I Thought It Couldnt Get Any Worse for BG7

[CODE_BLUE56]

Using TS% I think average is like...54% or so? BG usually hovered around that. He had a down year once while he was here and he's been a bit under that since he's been with Detroit I believe.

I took Rami's statement of Ben Gordon sucks to mean that he was NEVER good and that he's always sucked (sorta like Kwame Brown and Michael Olowokani, the lovely examples he brought up). I still think that the old BG is in there somewhere...but I doubt we'll ever see it again. I think playing in losing situations has made him not really care a whole lot about doing well. Probably part of the reason he sucks right now.

i don't think rami meant throughout considering the thread deals with ben gordon now..if he did then lol

you see flashes of the old ben gordon but he is not the same player

he was in a bad situation sure, but does that mean when he gets to a good situation he'll be close to what he used to be?


doubt it....he's had some injury issues start to appear as well..

plus, he's going to charlotte, so..ya that won't help him at all lmao

 

[Diddy1122]

1.citing the fact that ben gordon won the 6th man of the year as a rookie doesn't make ben gordon not suck now...

I'll give you that one but I seriously doubt other than maybe Mega, & SP, who actually watched Pistons games this year, or previous years & saw Ben Gordon play. I even drove out to Detroit to see the Pistons-Spurs game this year. Court side seats are cheap as hell so why wouldn't I? (unfortunately BG didn't have a very good game)

2. ben gordon had a bit to do with the bulls getting back to the playoffs...but he had a little help from eddy curry,nocioni,deng,etc....

A bit? If you mean winning 12 games by himself in the 4th quarter, including the final home game of the season against the Knicks, which I attended & got to witness the amazing clutchness of BG7 for the first time live. BG played 10 less minutes then almighty Craptain Kirk & averaged .6pts less. He was the offense in the 4th quarter. And when the game was on the line, he was the one who stepped to it & nailed a shot right between the eyes. Besides Curry, no one had a bigger impact on that team than BG.

he has always been limited dimensionally..when he scored 20 a game he was good because at least he was good at what he could actually do

While he is rather 1-dimensional (he wasn't doing nothing when he didn't score 20 either), the 1 thing everyone will always harp on is his defense. Granted, he's not a good defender, BUT, he is not the worst defender or an awful defender or useless other than scoring & blahblahblah. When you put an average to below average defender next to above average to great defensive players in Hinrich, Deng, Noc, & Chandler, they stick out like a sore thumb. It's like Boozer right now. He's not atrocious, but he looks like utter garbage next to 3 of the top 10 low post defenders in the NBA.

At the very least, if BG isn't scoring he's atleast drawing defenders away from the basket with the threat of scoring.

all he does is shoot and score..and he wasn't that efficient at it either

People always forget that he was our best FT shooter & the best at drawing fouls on the team. Oh & the fact that he was the leading scorer when we won 49 games & played less minutes than every starter other than P.J. Brown.

and now he's not really the same player anymore

I'll refer to the first part I quoted. I'm betting there are few on here who've actually watched BG play for the Pistons. He's gone from starting to bench to bench warmer, back to bench, to starting, back to bench. He's never had a defined role on the team, nor has really any other player the last 2.5 seasons.

He was injured his first year there. By the 2nd season, the lockerroom was in total disarray, thanks in no part to our starting SG, Rip Hamilton. It was every man for himself that year. This past season, the Pistons decided to go a new direction, moved Stuckey to SG & drafted Brandon Knight to play the point. BG had a more defined role this season as a 6th man & did a pretty good job of it. He averaged near career highs in FG% & 3PT%. He also unleashed an amazing 45 point performance against the Nuggets, dropping 9-9 threes to tie the NBA record. I think this guy's still got some game left.

1-dimensional scorer or not, Ben Gordon doesn't suck. Now or before.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

As I read through this thread, I must admit that tears rolled down my face with discust.
For what Detroit gave B.G up for is a shame, because the Bulls had plenty to offer Detroit for B.G, and could of gave Detroit better.
What's also sickning, is the B.G hate and Krk Hinrich nut swinging going on here.

Its shameful because B.G would of been a good fit for the Bulls next season taking up the scoring slack e will desperately need. With the absence of both Deng and Rose...

 

[clonetrooper264]

Reading Diddy, it's like listening to Chicago Bullseye all over again...especially Fred. :lol:

 

[scottiepippen1994]

it angers me when ppl talk down on the GOD BG

but let somebody mention Kirk Hinrich and everybodys panties get wet

yall disgust me

I agree with you 100% to the point where people on this forum probably think were the same person, Lol....

 

[Axl Rose]

now that pistons got rid of BG we should send Rip-Off Hamilton back

 

[Bear06]

now that pistons got rid of BG we should send Rip-Off Hamilton back

I knew you hated RIP! :bigfinger:

 

[Bear06]

As I read through this thread, I must admit that tears rolled down my face with discust.
For what Detroit gave B.G up for is a shame, because the Bulls had plenty to offer Detroit for B.G, and could of gave Detroit better.
What's also sickning, is the B.G hate and Krk Hinrich nut swinging going on here.

Its shameful because B.G would of been a good fit for the Bulls next season taking up the scoring slack e will desperately need. With the absence of both Deng and Rose...

That happened to me when the Heat won the Finals last week.

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

I'll give you that one but I seriously doubt other than maybe Mega, & SP, who actually watched Pistons games this year, or previous years & saw Ben Gordon play. I even drove out to Detroit to see the Pistons-Spurs game this year. Court side seats are cheap as hell so why wouldn't I? (unfortunately BG didn't have a very good game)

he sucks now

A bit? If you mean winning 12 games by himself in the 4th quarter, including the final home game of the season against the Knicks, which I attended & got to witness the amazing clutchness of BG7 for the first time live. BG played 10 less minutes then almighty Craptain Kirk & averaged .6pts less. He was the offense in the 4th quarter. And when the game was on the line, he was the one who stepped to it & nailed a shot right between the eyes. Besides Curry, no one had a bigger impact on that team than BG.

12 games by himself? so you're saying those 12 games would have been losses if he hadn't played well in the 4th?

i think my point is that ben gordon did his part to help the bulls back to the playoffs..but that was a good team

While he is rather 1-dimensional (he wasn't doing nothing when he didn't score 20 either), the 1 thing everyone will always harp on is his defense. Granted, he's not a good defender, BUT, he is not the worst defender or an awful defender or useless other than scoring & blahblahblah. When you put an average to below average defender next to above average to great defensive players in Hinrich, Deng, Noc, & Chandler, they stick out like a sore thumb. It's like Boozer right now. He's not atrocious, but he looks like utter garbage next to 3 of the top 10 low post defenders in the NBA.

no,gordon's pretty freaking bad...he's undersized and often a bit lackadaisical on D

At the very least, if BG isn't scoring he's atleast drawing defenders away from the basket with the threat of scoring.

People always forget that he was our best FT shooter & the best at drawing fouls on the team. Oh & the fact that he was the leading scorer when we won 49 games & played less minutes than every starter other than P.J. Brown.

good outside shooters are usually good FT shooters and he had a pretty high usage percentage so the FT number is a formality imo

he never had great handles or a great ability to get to the basket

I'll refer to the first part I quoted. I'm betting there are few on here who've actually watched BG play for the Pistons. He's gone from starting to bench to bench warmer, back to bench, to starting, back to bench. He's never had a defined role on the team, nor has really any other player the last 2.5 seasons.

no comment,really

He was injured his first year there. By the 2nd season, the lockerroom was in total disarray, thanks in no part to our starting SG, Rip Hamilton. It was every man for himself that year. This past season, the Pistons decided to go a new direction, moved Stuckey to SG & drafted Brandon Knight to play the point. BG had a more defined role this season as a 6th man & did a pretty good job of it. He averaged near career highs in FG% & 3PT%. He also unleashed an amazing 45 point performance against the Nuggets, dropping 9-9 threes to tie the NBA record. I think this guy's still got some game left.

the fact that gordon is having some nagging issues with injuries that last couple of years is part of the point of him not being the same player anymore

and the fact that he's dropped 45,yet averaged 12.5 PPG last season(in a more defined role) is kind of the point of him still being inconsistent

1-dimensional scorer or not, Ben Gordon doesn't suck. Now or before.

suck is a subjective term

but the dude is primarily a shooter and scorer, who is still a good shooter, but tell me he could go back to a team similar to the bulls of which he had played, and averaged 20 PPG

he isn't the same scorer anymore(which is what made him a good player) and he's not nearly as consistent as he used to be

as of what i am seeing in detroit and with his contract, he pretty much sucks

going to an awful bobcats team won't help him

i do respect what you're saying though....you got alot of love for the dude

 

[Scoot26]

Why oh why does anyone really want Ben Gordon for the contract he has? Do people really have that though of a time facing reality.

Gordon has two things against him.
1) His contract
2) Reinsdorf hates him

He's never, ever, ever coming back to Chicago. Get over it.

 

[Axl Rose]

I knew you hated RIP! :bigfinger:

i was excited at first like many other bulls fans were

but he was a disappointment to say the least

and he brought the injury bug with him and that rubbed off on our dear sweet rose

 

[clonetrooper264]

Why oh why does anyone really want Ben Gordon for the contract he has? Do people really have that though of a time facing reality.

Gordon has two things against him.
1) His contract
2) Reinsdorf hates him

He's never, ever, ever coming back to Chicago. Get over it.

Wait...who said we wanted Gordon back?

 

[Scoot26]

Wait...who said we wanted Gordon back?

As I read through this thread, I must admit that tears rolled down my face with discust.
For what Detroit gave B.G up for is a shame, because the Bulls had plenty to offer Detroit for B.G, and could of gave Detroit better.
What's also sickning, is the B.G hate and Krk Hinrich nut swinging going on here.

Its shameful because B.G would of been a good fit for the Bulls next season taking up the scoring slack e will desperately need. With the absence of both Deng and Rose...

Haha

 

[clonetrooper264]

Haha

Just asking.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

i was excited at first like many other bulls fans were

but he was a disappointment to say the least

and he brought the injury bug with him and that rubbed off on our dear sweet rose

For a Ben Gordon fan like myself, I see a positive in all this for B.G being in Charlotte.
For 1, Now Ben Gordon will get real playing time.
For 2, Now B.G will have the opportunity to be re-trained by Michael Jordan himself.
I think M.J sees somthing in B.G and this may be the best trade that M.J has ever made in his executive years.
For 3, if you are a Ben Gordon fan like me, you should be happy for B.G because any place is better than Detroit for him.


I hope everything works out for B.G and he can rebound his fallen career.
Tyrus Thomas will be happy to see his old teammate. :shrug:

 

[Axl Rose]

yeah i guess he would get more touches in charlotte, he'll probably be the go to scorer....but it still sucks...charlotte gonna win 15 games, if that

 

[FirstTimer]

Why oh why does anyone really want Ben Gordon for the contract he has? Do people really have that though of a time facing reality.

Gordon has two things against him.
1) His contract
2) Reinsdorf hates him

He's never, ever, ever coming back to Chicago. Get over it.

3.) He's bad.

 

[ChitwnRyan60452]

For a Ben Gordon fan like myself, I see a positive in all this for B.G being in Charlotte.
For 1, Now Ben Gordon will get real playing time.
For 2, Now B.G will have the opportunity to be re-trained by Michael Jordan himself.
I think M.J sees somthing in B.G and this may be the best trade that M.J has ever made in his executive years.
For 3, if you are a Ben Gordon fan like me, you should be happy for B.G because any place is better than Detroit for him.


I hope everything works out for B.G and he can rebound his fallen career.
Tyrus Thomas will be happy to see his old teammate. :shrug:

Re-trained by Michael Jordan? Like he is ever around. BG has a better chance of being "re-trained" by your boy Pip. And I'm sure if he was he would become the glue that holds the Charlotte Bobcats together for multiple championship runs.

 

[ChitwnRyan60452]

A better place than Detroit? Talk about tallest midget award. I just took a shit in a White Castle bathroom...better place than Detroit.

 

[houheffna]

Lol at Gordon being a better player because MJ is there to "retrain" him. MJ's team just had the worst record in the league. MJ must not be doing a whole lot of training...