OT: Lions coaching staff *no bears talk allowed* *srs responses only*

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

how many years of HC experience does Ben Johnson have?
Talking out of your ass, once again.

So you are comparing Johnson a young coach who has worked his way up the ranks and had 3 very successful years calling plays and got a HC position to a Morton who has been in the NFL since 1998 and has once year experience as an OC.

And I’m the one talking out of my ass?

 

[msadows]

i still find it funny the fish ****** is allowed to post on here

 

[Nelly]

Goff had 3 interceptions, get your facts straight.

I meant 4 turnovers, but touche.

 

[abegibronreborn]

I don’t disagree. They could still be a playoff team but chances of them remaining a top 5 offense again isn’t likely. Johnson was the reason the Lions have been relevant the past few seasons. Lions new OC has 1 year of NFL play calling experience and that was in 2017. There’s no way he will be able to keep up with the pace that Johnson set.

It would be difficult to duplicate that even with Johnson. Teams watch film, teams adjust, what was once new becomes predictable.

 

[melacegik]

Injuries derailed them. don't think it had anything to do with their seeding. Expecting them to finish 15-2 is lofty expectations for any team.

when Ben Johnson left, did he take the playbook with him and mind zap all the Lions players and coaches? Got news for CCS, you can't implement Ben Johnson's game plan without a good O-line, and a QB that makes quick decisions. As of this moment, you have neither.

Your Defense is just as likely to take a step back, as it is to improve. Let's see what another year of Ryan Poles dumpster diving for offensive lineman brings. And you seem to think the Bears offense will just instantly learn a new O?

Bears are just as likely to finish last again, as the Lions are to regress.

I think to blame their loss on injuries is idiocy because you'd also have to blame a lot of their wins on injuries too. Glenn did an amazing job plugging holes on the defense. Lions just made too many mistakes in that last game which most lead to turnovers. Commanders had a decent plan too- make lions stop them 4 plays in a row and plan on every 4th and 3 or less being a go for it situation.
Aside from that-- I do think Lions can't possibly repeat- number of injuries and amount of success of last season. If they do, you're heavily assuming Ben Johnson did nothing to contribute to Goff's rise to being a star (at least for the last 2 years) compared to previously. He was decent but not star-level. I don't know that he'll continue that without Johnson- it's definitely a to be determined at this point. Same could be said with defense- with people healthy= great, but not everyone's coming back and some of those position swaps due to injuries might stay and so you'll be missing in a different position now... basically adjustments will need to be made and there's no guarantee they'll be the semi-decent defense and solid turnover rate next year. Lots of ??? to be determined. Head coach is still solid though.

 

[SugarWalls]

Using Belichick and Reid aren’t great examples at all. Those guys had/have two of the greatest QBs of all time. You can overcome any loss to assistant coaches with those guys. Regarding the Lions, you are talking about Goff. Losing Johnson will be huge for that offense.

I think bellicheck is the perfect example really. He lost Brady and then his OC and he literally lost his job in the NFL.

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

It would be difficult to duplicate that even with Johnson. Teams watch film, teams adjust, what was once new becomes predictable.

Johnson’s had 3 amazing seasons as OC. I’d argue he is fairly consistent with producing top offenses.

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

I think bellicheck is the perfect example really. He lost Brady and then his OC and he literally lost his job in the NFL.

Sure, after 7 super bowls.

 

[SugarWalls]

Sure, after 7 super bowls.

Isn’t that even stronger evidence? The best HC of all time couldn’t keep going after losing his OC and trying to move on with a new qb.

If the goat couldn’t do it, how’s old wood teeth gonna?

 

[remydat]

That is laughable, considering how CCS considered the last NFC north championship a successful season.

I am not CCS so go cry to them.

 

[remydat]

how many years of HC experience does Ben Johnson have?
Talking out of your ass, once again.

Lol Morton was OC for the 28th ranked offense in yards and 24th in points. He was so bad no one has bothered to make him an OC again until now ie almost 8 years later at 55. Johnson's offenses have been top 5 and he is going to be a HC before 40 because of it.

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

Isn’t that even stronger evidence? The best HC of all time couldn’t keep going after losing his OC and trying to move on with a new qb.

If the goat couldn’t do it, how’s old wood teeth gonna?

I personally don’t think so. During Belichicks prime years with Brady they dominated despite losing coaches. Same thing with Reid during his career.

Lions lost the majority of their staff including the most import piece to their success, Johnson. Lions don’t have a Brady or Mahomes to potential make up for their losses. 2025 will be a big year for Campbell and the Lions. Is Campbell legit without Johnson?

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

Lol Morton was OC for the 28th ranked offense in yards and 24th in points. He was so bad no one has bothered to make him an OC again until now ie almost 8 years later at 55. Johnson's offenses have been top 5 and he is going to be a HC before 40 because of it.

Yeah he never responded to my comment previously which stated this same exact thing. He ran away at the correct time.

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

Lions fans on Reddit thinking their team will go 12-5 or 13-4 next year . No one seems to be concerned about the Johnson loss.

 

[cwcwcwcw1]

Lions fans on Reddit thinking their team will go 12-5 or 13-4 next year . No one seems to be concerned about the Johnson loss.

I hesitate to type this since it will make our resident dumb and dumber lions fans happy.

But if Barry Switzer can ride Jimmy Johnson's Cowboys to a Super Bowl win then I think John Morton could help the Lions be a solid 10-11 win team. From there it's a matter of random luck, 1 or 2 more wins could happen.

Johnson leaving is a loss, of course, but it's not like they will miss place the playbook or forget the plays.
The big question is the new OC's ability to call or sequence plays properly. Is he at least antiquate or is he Getsy?

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

I hesitate to type this since it will make our resident dumb and dumber lions fans happy.

But if Barry Switzer can ride Jimmy Johnson's Cowboys to a Super Bowl win then I think John Morton could help the Lions be a solid 10-11 win team. From there it's a matter of random luck, 1 or 2 more wins could happen.

Johnson leaving is a loss, of course, but it's not like they will miss place the playbook or forget the plays.
The big question is the new OC's ability to call or sequence plays properly. Is he at least antiquate or is he Getsy?

That reference has zero relevance.

As far as the playbook goes, Johnson created his unique playbook. So yes the Lions will more than likely miss that and his play calling ability. It’s not like that playbook is just sitting in the locker room for Morton to use. Morton has 1 year of OC experience so he will have to go in creating his own playbook as well.

Lions will get their wins, but so many fans think they will dominate their hard schedule and make it further into the playoffs. Sure they have more talent then the Bears but they are just as big of a question mark.

 

[cwcwcwcw1]

That reference has zero relevance.

It is absolutely relevant and not hard to understand.

As far as the playbook goes, Johnson created his unique playbook. ... It’s not like that playbook is just sitting in the locker room for Morton to use.

Except for the fact that it is literally on the Ipads they give out every year or sitting on the Lions server somewhere. Johnson doesn't have a copyright on it. Do you really think they just deleted everything and all the current players forgot everything.

Morton has 1 year of OC experience

Johnson had exactly 0 years of OC experience.

he will have to go in creating his own playbook as well.

He can start with the one Johnson made. You know the one specifically designed for Goff and the Lions. Also he can work with Goff to add to it.

Lions will more than likely miss that and his play calling ability.

Of course it is unlikely that the Lions strike gold again with Morton like they did with Johnson. But they don't need to for what I proposed.
He just needs to be adequate for them to get around 10-11 wins like I suggested. After that who knows maybe some luck, maybe a couple of the "" if's "" work out.

Just look at the 2025 slate of games ...

Home games: Chicago (5-12), Green Bay (11-6), Minnesota (14-3), Dallas (7-10), New York Giants (3-14), Cleveland (3-14), Pittsburgh (10-7) and Tampa Bay (10-7).

Road games: Chicago (5-12), Green Bay (11-6), Minnesota (14-3), Washington (12-5), Philadelphia (14-3), Cincinnati (9-8), Baltimore (12-5), Kansas City (15-2) and Los Angeles Rams (10-7).

5 or 6 at home. 3 or 4 on the road. That's not hard to imagine and wouldn't require the offense to be just a good as it was last year.

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

It is absolutely relevant and not hard to understand.


Except for the fact that it is literally on the Ipads they give out every year or sitting on the Lions server somewhere. Johnson doesn't have a copyright on it. Do you really think they just deleted everything and all the current players forgot everything.


Johnson had exactly 0 years of OC experience.


He can start with the one Johnson made. You know the one specifically designed for Goff and the Lions. Also he can work with Goff to add to it.


Of course it is unlikely that the Lions strike gold again with Morton like they did with Johnson. But they don't need to for what I proposed.
He just needs to be adequate for them to get around 10-11 wins like I suggested. After that who knows maybe some luck, maybe a couple of the "" if's "" work out.

Just look at the 2025 slate of games ...

Home games: Chicago (5-12), Green Bay (11-6), Minnesota (14-3), Dallas (7-10), New York Giants (3-14), Cleveland (3-14), Pittsburgh (10-7) and Tampa Bay (10-7).

Road games: Chicago (5-12), Green Bay (11-6), Minnesota (14-3), Washington (12-5), Philadelphia (14-3), Cincinnati (9-8), Baltimore (12-5), Kansas City (15-2) and Los Angeles Rams (10-7).

5 or 6 at home. 3 or 4 on the road. That's not hard to imagine and wouldn't require the offense to be just a good as it was last year.

Using a reference from over 30 years ago is not relevant at all. Or comparing a guy who was extremely successful as a HC in college who became a HC for the Cowboys to a guy like Morton.

Having a physical playbook doesn’t mean shit. The guy designing and calling the plays is the difference maker. Do you honestly expect Morton to mimic 100% of what Johnson did just because he might have a playbook on an iPad?

And when he got the opportunity he created his own playbook and dominated with it. How did Morton do with his 1 year of experience in 2017 after being an NFL coach since 1998?

The Lions couldn’t reach the Super Bowl with Johnson after 3 seasons in a row with top 5 offenses. Being adequate won’t get them there either. Coaching goes a long way.

They could also easily lose those games at home as well. They are a talented team but are a big question mark because of the coaching turnover. First person to discuss is Goff. He’s worked with two phenomenal offensive play callers. He doesn’t have that anymore.

 

[cwcwcwcw1]

Using a reference from over 30 years ago is not relevant at all. Or comparing a guy who was extremely successful as a HC in college who became a HC for the Cowboys to a guy like Morton.

Having a physical playbook doesn’t mean shit. The guy designing and calling the plays is the difference maker. Do you honestly expect Morton to mimic 100% of what Johnson did just because he might have a playbook on an iPad?

And when he got the opportunity he created his own playbook and dominated with it. How did Morton do with his 1 year of experience in 2017 after being an NFL coach since 1998?

The Lions couldn’t reach the Super Bowl with Johnson after 3 seasons in a row with top 5 offenses. Being adequate won’t get them there either. Coaching goes a long way.

They could also easily lose those games at home as well. They are a talented team but are a big question mark because of the coaching turnover. First person to discuss is Goff. He’s worked with two phenomenal offensive play callers. He doesn’t have that anymore.

Alright, now you're just going straw man or trolling or have a reading comprehension problem.

 

[MikeDitkaPolishSausage]

Alright, now you're just going straw man or trolling or have a reading comprehension problem.

And you somehow think Morton is adequate enough to win a Super Bowl .