OT: Mike Greenberg "Reward the best of non playoff teams with first draft pick."

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Because I like watching good basketball.
So, only superteams can play good basketball?

1995 Magic weren't a superteam and they played great basketball, 1996 Sonics, 1994 Nuggets, 1990's GS Warriors, Zo's Heat, LJ's Hornets,

None of them were superteams and they played great basketball.
 

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So, only superteams can play good basketball?

1995 Magic weren't a superteam and they played great basketball, 1996 Sonics, 1994 Nuggets, 1990's GS Warriors, Zo's Heat, LJ's Hornets,

None of them were superteams and they played great basketball.

You are mistaken superteams with all time great teams. I don't like parity in the NBA. I don't want stars having to be forced to play with scrubs.

The teams you listed were very good, well put together teams. Ironically, the Hornets and the Magic teams you mentioned became very talented by getting back to back high picks in the draft. The Magic were 11th worst and got the top pick. That is why they were able to become a very good team. That was my point all along.
 

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You are mistaken superteams with all time great teams. I don't like parity in the NBA. I don't want stars having to be forced to play with scrubs.

The teams you listed were very good, well put together teams. Ironically, the Hornets and the Magic teams you mentioned became very talented by getting back to back high picks in the draft. The Magic were 11th worst and got the top pick. That is why they were able to become a very good team. That was my point all along.
That's fine, but I don't like superstars stacking on two to three teams while the rest of the league sucks. I would rather have 10 elite teams, 10 very good teams, and 10 teams rebuilding.

Making a top heavy league just isn't good. Five good teams and 25 terrible teams, would suck.
 

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That's fine, but I don't like superstars stacking on two to three teams while the rest of the league sucks. I would rather have 10 elite teams, 10 very good teams, and 10 teams rebuilding.

Making a top heavy league just isn't good. Five good teams and 25 terrible teams, would suck.

The league has been top heavy since the 1950's. Talent wins in the NBA...very little is random.
 

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The league has been top heavy since the 1950's. Talent wins in the NBA...very little is random.
The '50's had ten teams.

I like parity. i like the idea of every team having a chance to win, if they manage and build their teams right. This is a league that has had a total of 8 or 9 teams win the title since 1980.

Philly (1)
Lakers (10) 11 if you want to count 1979
Celtics (4)
Spurs (4)
Bulls (6)
25 titles between four teams is just not good for the league. Overall.
Heat (1)
Houston (2)
Dallas (1)
Detroit (3)

That's not good for the league. That's why I like baseball and Football. Because while certain will always suck, more teams have a chance to win than in the NBA.
 
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If a team takes the risk, and tanks, then so be it. It's a pretty bad risk to take with a lottery and recovering fans is hard to do. There are perennial playoff teams now, that would tank for years, and they STILL don't fill the seats after bringing a great product to the table for 4-5 years.
 

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The NFL does it right. The reason the Miami Dolphins didn't start tanking after 7 or 8 weeks to "suck for luck" was because outside of their portion of guaranteed money, they were playing for incentive bonuses and their future. Fully guaranteed contracts make players have no problem tanking.
 

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The '50's had ten teams.

I like parity. i like the idea of every team having a chance to win, if they manage and build their teams right. This is a league that has had a total of 8 or 9 teams win the title since 1980.

Philly (1)
Lakers (10) 11 if you want to count 1979
Celtics (4)
Spurs (4)
Bulls (6)
25 titles between four teams is just not good for the league. Overall.
Heat (1)
Houston (2)
Dallas (1)
Detroit (3)

That's not good for the league. That's why I like baseball and Football. Because while certain will always suck, more teams have a chance to win than in the NBA.

The Lakers won in the 79-80 season..in 1979, the Sonics won the title.

Marking on your point, I pretty much agree. The NBA has always been about dynasties though. When one dies off, another has a tendency to come about.
 

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The NFL does it right. The reason the Miami Dolphins didn't start tanking after 7 or 8 weeks to "suck for luck" was because outside of their portion of guaranteed money, they were playing for incentive bonuses and their future. Fully guaranteed contracts make players have no problem tanking.

Which is why I've been in favor of the NBA restructuring their contracts to be more like the NFL's, even if the owners had to strike for a year to get that way. In many cases though its ownership wanting the team to tank.

On another note, you will also note that a team that is seemingly tanking the season away has not ended up winning the lottery then. Stern has always spoken out against tanking. In 2007, the Celtics and a few other teams were tanking the season away for a chance at Greg Oden or Kevin Durant. Two teams that seemingly were giving it their all down the stretch were the Sonics and the Blazers..those two won the first two picks. Thats why I believe at times the lottery is kinda rigged.
 

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The '50's had ten teams.

I like parity. i like the idea of every team having a chance to win, if they manage and build their teams right. This is a league that has had a total of 8 or 9 teams win the title since 1980.

Philly (1)
Lakers (10) 11 if you want to count 1979
Celtics (4)
Spurs (4)
Bulls (6)
25 titles between four teams is just not good for the league. Overall.
Heat (1)
Houston (2)
Dallas (1)
Detroit (3)

That's not good for the league. That's why I like baseball and Football. Because while certain will always suck, more teams have a chance to win than in the NBA.

What evidence do you have that dynasties hurt the league?

Dominant teams are what resuscitated the league. The decade that saw the most parity was the 1970's.

By the time Magic and Bird showed up, the Finals were on tape delay. You have to back that statement up with facts.

What is bad for you is not necessarily bad for the league overall.

Magic, Bird and Jordan winning 14 titles between them was bad for the league? Lol...I don't think so...

NBA fans love superstars...period.
 

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Get rid of the damn lottery...what a joke it is.

Draft should go from worst to best...PERIOD

No lottery balls to determine shit

Screw the lottery and the Bulls getting Derrick Rose in 2008!
 

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The NBA is, in my opinion, the most superstar-driven league in American sports. Fans tune in to watch special players. As a fan, it makes me sad to think that a player like Anthony Davis who could be very special out of the gate more than likely has to go to a team like Charlotte that's completely devoid of talent or direction.

Don't get me wrong, it's how the lottery works -- the shitty teams have the best chance to get the best prospects. The most exciting part is looking at the young teams and imagining how the influx of young talent can effect them going forward, especially a team like Minnesota who's got a good coach and some fantastic building blocks already.

I know it's a long shot, but Christ... could you imagine Anthony Davis, Ricky Rubio and Kevin Love. I'm getting hard just thinking about that. Or Anthony Davis and John Wall in Washington? Or Davis, Irving and Thompson in Cleveland? All of those scenarios are good for fans, regardless of who you root for. With this being a deep draft, a lot of teams are going to have the opportunity to acquire a young building block. In my eyes, all of the lottery picks can land a guy who can help them right away.
 

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The NBA is, in my opinion, the most superstar-driven league in American sports. Fans tune in to watch special players. As a fan, it makes me sad to think that a player like Anthony Davis who could be very special out of the gate more than likely has to go to a team like Charlotte that's completely devoid of talent or direction.

Don't get me wrong, it's how the lottery works -- the shitty teams have the best chance to get the best prospects. The most exciting part is looking at the young teams and imagining how the influx of young talent can effect them going forward, especially a team like Minnesota who's got a good coach and some fantastic building blocks already.

I know it's a long shot, but Christ... could you imagine Anthony Davis, Ricky Rubio and Kevin Love. I'm getting hard just thinking about that. Or Anthony Davis and John Wall in Washington? Or Davis, Irving and Thompson in Cleveland? All of those scenarios are good for fans, regardless of who you root for. With this being a deep draft, a lot of teams are going to have the opportunity to acquire a young building block. In my eyes, all of the lottery picks can land a guy who can help them right away.

Something tells me Charlotte isn't winning the lottery. I can honestly see the Wizards winning it or even New Orleans. And then Minnesota this year doesnt have their pick because they traded it to the Jazz in the Al Jefferson trade, so they wouldnt be ending up with Anthony Davis anyways.
 

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Yeah, dynasties sure hurt the NBA.

I remember the NBA being REALLY unpopular during Jordan's run.
 

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Yeah, dynasties sure hurt the NBA.

I remember the NBA being REALLY unpopular during Jordan's run.
Heck Magic and Bird saved the NBA.
 

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Heck Magic and Bird saved the NBA.

No.

Those dynasties hurt the league.

Jordan and the Bulls not winning 6 titles in 8 years in the 1990's saved the NBA
 

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I'm not sure parity would really help the NBA right now. Some of the smaller markets seem so disinterested in their teams that contraction may suit the league better than relocation.
 

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