OT: Whispers Of A Prominent West Coast Player To Be Suspended Next Week For PEDS

[Gunzaan]

You'd probably have to execute them then. People is dumb.

I completely agree with you... people will still do them. And the penalties already are pretty harsh, but if making them even harsher deterred 1/10th of the people that use them, wouldn't it be worth it?

 

[Huffalicious]

I completely agree with you... people will still do them. And the penalties already are pretty harsh, but if making them even harsher deterred 1/10th of the people that use them, wouldn't it be worth it?

Let's just say, it couldn't hurt in the least.

 

[Mr. Cub]

 

[Rice Cube]

I completely agree with you... people will still do them. And the penalties already are pretty harsh, but if making them even harsher deterred 1/10th of the people that use them, wouldn't it be worth it?

Depends on how many are actually using, being tested properly, etc. etc.

What makes you think the testing procedures are that much better than the masking agents the current users (alleged or otherwise) are using?

 

[Gunzaan]

Depends on how many are actually using, being tested properly, etc. etc.

What makes you think the testing procedures are that much better than the masking agents the current users (alleged or otherwise) are using?

I don't think that.... masking agents are 20 steps ahead of testing procedures, which is why the BALCO creator recently went on record saying anyone that actually gets caught now-a-days are complete morons. Nonetheless, there are morons out there (see anyone caught in the last 5+ years), so someone would get caught. Getting banned for life after 1 positive test would certainly make SOME people think twice about using them..

 

[Rice Cube]

I don't think that.... masking agents are 20 steps ahead of testing procedures, which is why the BALCO creator recently went on record saying anyone that actually gets caught now-a-days are complete morons. Nonetheless, there are morons out there (see anyone caught in the last 5+ years), so someone would get caught. Getting banned for life after 1 positive test would certainly make SOME people think twice about using them..

They'd think twice but they'd do it anyway. It's kind of like cheating on your wife. Not that I would because she'd literally kill me and is resourceful enough to hide the evidence :lol:

 

[Gunzaan]

I know what you're saying but I still think it would deter a small % of the cheaters from using, which would be better then nothing.

 

[Rice Cube]

I know what you're saying but I still think it would deter a small % of the cheaters from using, which would be better then nothing.

You'd have to get the players to buy in because I believe the suspensions etc are negotiated items in the CBA. The existing players (most of whom you assume to be clean or tainted, given your personal bias) negotiated the current punishments as far as I know.

 

[Gunzaan]

You'd have to get the players to buy in because I believe the suspensions etc are negotiated items in the CBA. The existing players (most of whom you assume to be clean or tainted, given your personal bias) negotiated the current punishments as far as I know.

Very true. And baseball is so crooked that I assume everyone is tainted so it wouldn't be in their own best interests to do that. No one (Owners vs Players) actually does what is right for the game, only for their own pocketbooks, sadly. But it is what it is.

 

[Rice Cube]

Very true. And baseball is so crooked that I assume everyone is tainted so it wouldn't be in their own best interests to do that. No one (Owners vs Players) actually does what is right for the game, only for their own pocketbooks, sadly. But it is what it is.

But they all know what will happen if they are indeed stupid enough to get caught. If Albert Pujols gets caught, that's something like $7-8MM he just lost in that season. If an impending free agent, like Josh Hamilton, gets caught, he forfeits a third of his salary and potentially tens of millions in his next contract. If run-of-the-mill minor league guy gets caught, he doesn't get his blue collar paycheck for a couple months and he might find himself completely out of baseball. It's not like they won't get punished.

 

[Gunzaan]

50 games is a lot different then lifetime.

 

[Rice Cube]

50 games is a lot different then lifetime.

The lifetime does happen though if they're stupid enough to get caught doing it again and again :lol:

You've got guys doing all kinds of stuff to get into the bigs. They'll cork their bats, they'll falsify their identity, they'll spit all over the baseball (Gaylord Perry!) and they'll put things in their bodies that they probably shouldn't (greenies, roids, etc). You can't stop them all even if the first offense is a lifetime ban.

As an aside, in most cases, everyone deserves a second chance. The 50-game with the possibility of playing again is their second chance. If they **** that up, then they really are stupid.

 

[Gunzaan]

I completely agree with you on all accounts and baseball is the absolute worst sport when it comes to cheating. Cheating is sadly just part of the game. Obviously, the penalties in place aren't severe enough, though. Nothing wrong with trying something new, or tweaking what is in place to make it even a harsher penalty

 

[Rice Cube]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_League_Baseball_drug_policy

It is from Wikipedia so take that with a grain of salt. But that's consistent with what we know of the testing program. What I think they should address is not whether steroid/PED users should be executed, but why DUI convictions don't carry similarly harsh penalties. But then again, I'm a little strange.

 

[DewsSox79]

either way 50 games aint shit

 

[Gunzaan]

either way 50 games aint shit

Agreed.

And btw, you gotta change your avatar... everytime I see your posts, I think you are that prope ****** bag and then I have to do a doubletake when I see your sig and purple name

 

[Rice Cube]

either way 50 games aint shit

It might be nothing for the multi-millionaires, but for guys who are in the minors or who are making league minimum, and you take a third of the paycheck away from the $50K or less MiLB salary or from the $500K league minimum...I don't think they'll say that ain't shit.

 

[Gunzaan]

It might be nothing for the multi-millionaires, but for guys who are in the minors or who are making league minimum, and you take a third of the paycheck away from the $50K or less MiLB salary or from the $500K league minimum...I don't think they'll say that ain't shit.

And I would be willing to make a wager that the guys who can't really afford to be suspended 50 games don't cheat as much as the guys who can afford to.

Yes, I said "as much" because I know that a good majority of players cheat anyway.

 

[Rice Cube]

And I would be willing to make a wager that the guys who can't really afford to be suspended 50 games don't cheat as much as the guys who can afford to.

Yes, I said "as much" because I know that a good majority of players cheat anyway.

It'd be an interesting wager considering you can't prove it one way or the other unless you test everyone every day from the lower minors all the way to the top, which would probably be cost prohibitive and annoying to the players themselves (even if it's for a good cause, as it were). Also, most of the busts don't seem to get as much fanfare, especially if they are of minor leaguers, and it's entirely possible that most minor leaguers who juice aren't the signing bonus baby set.

 

[Mr. Cub]

I think the only way to get this to stop, or at least make it a lesser problem is to raise the severity of the repercussions of getting caught doing something illegal. While they seem pretty harsh as is, it's obviously not enough. I wonder if the threat of a lifetime ban is enough to make people not do it and or if the MLB would want to risk possibly losing the superstars (moneymakers) of the game to this penalty.