OT: Who has a better year: Fields on the Jets or Rodgers on the Steelers?

[sevvy]

Meh

Stop it.

 

[DefNextYear]

To wrap this all up - ZRO (Zone Read Option) QBs elevate their RBs, in 2024 Fields being on the field elevated the Steelers rushing efficiency despite them not really using the ZRO,

Both Najee and Warren averaged more yards per carry with Wilson in last year. They also combined for more rushing yards, receiving yards, and receptions per game with Wilson.

 

[Moses Moreno]

Both Najee and Warren averaged more yards per carry with Wilson in last year. They also combined for more rushing yards, receiving yards, and receptions per game with Wilson.

Warren was hurt throughout training camp and truthfully my point was much stronger seeing the drop off from the 22&23 rushing game to the 24. If you don't think Justin impacts the running game like I do, cool! We'll see this year.

Going to Rodgers & Pittsburgh.

-to me, Rodgers was clearly declining before MLF came to town. Prior to MLF Rodgers was basically the OC at the line and ran an efficient, pass heavy offense and that's pretty much what he did in NYJ last year
-Arthur Smith and Russell butted heads over calling plays at the line. I fully expect Rodgers to butt heads with this dude because at 41, no player is changing and absolutely not Aaron.
-the supporting cast (Adams, Wilson and the RB room) was significantly better in NYJ than it'll be in Pittsburgh. I don't expect DK to be a true WR1 as he's more a physical freak with great speed and less a technical wizard. I like their rookie RB from Iowa but Breece Hall is better. The Jets last year were a high volume, low efficiency passing attack and simply put that's just not going to cut it anymore in this NFL
-i think this thing is going to flame out and flame out badly. Rodgers physically doesn't have it anymore but he sure as **** has the ego. His weekly interviews and lack of personal accountability will make him no friends on that team and I just hope he makes it to week 12 so I can boo his lame ass.

 

[--CyBear--]

Matt Eberflus showed everybody exactly who he was in 2023.


Eagles had an unstoppable rushing attack. Having a plus RB, plus OL and plus Rushing QB is something that makes the rest of the offense easy. The Jets are far more dangerous of an offense than the general public currently believes.

Who said the Bear were good or well coached in 2023? WTF?

Great OL and RB also helps the QB run. Option is shit without a top back as well. Works both ways. Team game and you're making it all about a running QB. Clearly an asset but there's a reason NFL teams draft great passing QBs before great running QBs or are you football smarter than every GM in the NFL?

So much rationalization and excuses.

 

[Moses Moreno]

Who said the Bear were good or well coached in 2023? WTF?

Great OL and RB also helps the QB run. Option is shit without a top back as well. Works both ways. Team game and you're making it all about a running QB. Clearly an asset but there's a reason NFL teams draft great passing QBs before great running QBs or are you football smarter than every GM in the NFL?

So much rationalization and excuses.

You talked about Justin's W/L, and I just reminded you of who his coach was.

Fields led the Bears to a high usage, good efficiency running game with Khalil Herbert as his main RB and a bum OL. The Jets have a much better surrounding cast which is why i think their rushing attack is going to be pretty freaking dynamic and hard to stop this year.

You disagree - they'll play the games and we'll see who's right!

 

[Canth]

Fields is the more dynamic player. He is exciting to watch. He does things, especially with his legs, that very few people can do.

But Rodgers will be the better QB and being able to run an offense.

 

[--CyBear--]

You talked about Justin's W/L, and I just reminded you of who his coach was.

Fields led the Bears to a high usage, good efficiency running game with Khalil Herbert as his main RB and a bum OL. The Jets have a much better surrounding cast which is why i think their rushing attack is going to be pretty freaking dynamic and hard to stop this year.

You disagree - they'll play the games and we'll see who's right!

Only in comparison to another pocket QB with the same coach and not in terms of absolutes. Never compared his record here to anyone elsewhere. Don't be disingenuous. I also never said he was worse than the guy with a better winning %. Just that his mobility wasn't a significant factor here due of his lack of passing acumen.

 

[DefNextYear]

Warren was hurt throughout training camp and truthfully my point was much stronger seeing the drop off from the 22&23 rushing game to the 24. If you don't think Justin impacts the running game like I do, cool! We'll see this year.

Going to Rodgers & Pittsburgh.

-to me, Rodgers was clearly declining before MLF came to town. Prior to MLF Rodgers was basically the OC at the line and ran an efficient, pass heavy offense and that's pretty much what he did in NYJ last year
-Arthur Smith and Russell butted heads over calling plays at the line. I fully expect Rodgers to butt heads with this dude because at 41, no player is changing and absolutely not Aaron.
-the supporting cast (Adams, Wilson and the RB room) was significantly better in NYJ than it'll be in Pittsburgh. I don't expect DK to be a true WR1 as he's more a physical freak with great speed and less a technical wizard. I like their rookie RB from Iowa but Breece Hall is better. The Jets last year were a high volume, low efficiency passing attack and simply put that's just not going to cut it anymore in this NFL
-i think this thing is going to flame out and flame out badly. Rodgers physically doesn't have it anymore but he sure as **** has the ego. His weekly interviews and lack of personal accountability will make him no friends on that team and I just hope he makes it to week 12 so I can boo his lame ass.

I'm not saying anything about Rodgers or who is better. I'm just pointing out there wasn't some bump in the RB production when Fields was in vs when Wilson came in. If anything, a strong rushing QB makes RBs more expendable. The whole Montgomery situation is a testament to that.

Fields impacts the run game cause he adds stats to it himself. The RBs themselves aren't suddenly better.

 

[Moses Moreno]

I'm not saying anything about Rodgers or who is better. I'm just pointing out there wasn't some bump in the RB production when Fields was in vs when Wilson came in. If anything, a strong rushing QB makes RBs more expendable. The whole Montgomery situation is a testament to that.

Fields impacts the run game cause he adds stats to it himself. The RBs themselves aren't suddenly better.

The Zone Read is literally where the QB reads the DL, if the DL crashes inside (goes after the RB) the QB keeps it. If he stays home (to take into account the QB rushing threat) the QB hands it to the RB and the RB has one less person in the box to deal with and the offensive line has a serious numbers advantage.

There's not enough teams running the ZRO to confidently say how much of an impact it has on the RB efficiency but both Saquon and Derrick Henry had monstrous bumps in their efficiency playing with Hurts & Lamar - of course there's the argument that they played with elite OLs which certainly had an impact. The Jets OL will have another year of seasoning for Fashanu and a top 7 pick at RT with no glaring weaknesses - so it's not like it's a bunch of scrubs they're running behind.

All in all - I'm very confident in saying the rushing attack will be one of the best in all of football. How much is Fields, how much is the talent of the RBs and how much is the offensive line? No clue.

 

[hebs]

Neither make the playoffs. The Steelers have the better year but harder division

 

[TL1961]

Rather than ask, “Who will do better Fields or Rodgers?“, perhaps a better question to ask is this:

At the end of the 2025 season which organization will look back and say “We made a good decision and we are closer to contending for a Super Bowl than we were a year ago. “
A. Jets
B. Steelers
C. Both
D. Neither

My money is on D.

 

[Speed]

If we're talking counting stats I doubt it.

 

[Midway Fields]

This poll is a great football IQ test.

 

[--CyBear--]

If we're talking counting stats I doubt it.

Pretty much and that was uncomfortable to watch. It's difficult to not root for the guy but he has all the pinnings of a journeyman.

The best O to run with him is the option but he's also not special at reading that.

Not like CW wasn't missing reads and taking sacks last year but a rookie under a coaching carousel has some valid excuses.

 

[Moses Moreno]

This poll is a great football IQ test.

Name & Avatar bet.

Rodgers is completely washed and without a doubt a team cancer. Jets will have more wins than the Steelers.

 

[Moses Moreno]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1939737348784496945

I'm sure that last sentence means nothing. Looking forward to this jackass struggling this year.

 

[--CyBear--]

Name & Avatar bet.

Rodgers is completely washed and without a doubt a team cancer. Jets will have more wins than the Steelers.

If that's the case, and it may be, it's a low hill to concur. The OP's is a question more related to Rodgers' current statis than Fields general ability. Fields played way conservative last year and pissed off some teammates and facilitated the change.

Here's a copy paste from a Pitt fan:

fields was really not that good, 4-2 is deceptive. barely beat a low scoring game against broncos even tho we had a 10 point lead the whole game, was close with chargers the whole game, didn’t score a td against falcons, cowboys game at home prime time he had a STINKER. had washington open for a TD if he put air under his deep throw but it was a line drive and incomplete. colts he went off in second half but was trailing all game and he had a horrible fumble in field goal range when he ran backwards 30 yards and we had a 2 minute drill he had a chance to tie or win and he got like 5 yards only. 4-2 against easy competition and he couldn’t get anything going in the pass game. i understood why tomlin made the change, if fields was even doing decent in the passing game then he wouldn’t have been benched

 

[Moses Moreno]

If that's the case, and it may be, it's a low hill to concur. The OP's is a question more related to Rodgers' current statis than Fields general ability. Fields played way conservative last year and pissed off some teammates and facilitated the change.

Here's a copy paste from a Pitt fan:

fields was really not that good, 4-2 is deceptive. barely beat a low scoring game against broncos even tho we had a 10 point lead the whole game, was close with chargers the whole game, didn’t score a td against falcons, cowboys game at home prime time he had a STINKER. had washington open for a TD if he put air under his deep throw but it was a line drive and incomplete. colts he went off in second half but was trailing all game and he had a horrible fumble in field goal range when he ran backwards 30 yards and we had a 2 minute drill he had a chance to tie or win and he got like 5 yards only. 4-2 against easy competition and he couldn’t get anything going in the pass game. i understood why tomlin made the change, if fields was even doing decent in the passing game then he wouldn’t have been benched

Let's see the sourcing on "he pissed off some teammates" because there's been ample reporting that Arthur Smith and other teammates wanted him to be the starter and Tomlin went lone ranger on the decision.

And I don't give a shit about some random morons opinion. I watched every game myself and formed my own opinion. I have my eyes and plenty of data to back up my opinions, you think he's going to suck, I don't and we'll see sooner than later.

 

[--CyBear--]

Let's see the sourcing on "he pissed off some teammates" because there's been ample reporting that Arthur Smith and other teammates wanted him to be the starter and Tomlin went lone ranger on the decision.

And I don't give a shit about some random morons opinion. I watched every game myself and formed my own opinion. I have my eyes and plenty of data to back up my opinions, you think he's going to suck, I don't and we'll see sooner than later.

I have never said I expect him to suck and have only wished him success but he'll need to step it up for that to happen.

Former Bears director of player personnel Josh Lucas actually gave credence to the report back in February, explaining that things didn't work out with Fields and the veteran quarterbacks behind the scenes during his rookie season.

"We thought having two vets with him would really help him with Andy and Nick and that was not cohesive at all," Lucas told Windy City Gridiron at the time.

Lucas added that while he liked that Fields "knew he was the best and should be out there," he thought he could've stood to learn from Dalton and Foles.

"The part you don’t like about it is that there’s a teachable moment in every point of practice," Lucas said. "There’s teachable moments in the building during the day, how you carry yourself as a quarterback. There’s teachable moments at press conferences. There’s teachable moments every snap on Sunday. When you’ve got two guys that have won as much as Nick and seen as much as Andy, and you don’t take that information in, because you’re a little standoffish and a little abrasive, you’re wasting that opportunity."
said that I expected him to suck and consistently wish he steps it up.

That said, it seems more of his Pittsburgh teammates preferred Fields to Wilson when the change was mase so wherever I read that, it was likely overstated and normal malcontent behavior by malcontent players. Also knowing Wilson, their relationship was likely fine since Wilson wasn't going to try to help him anyway, LOL.

I also think the change to Wilson was not an indictment on Fields as much as they hoped to elevate the O with a proven commodity while hoping Wilson's tank was not yet dry.

 

[nc0gnet0]

I want Rodgers to suck ass and Fields to do well. I am also a big fan of Aaron Glenn,
Trouble is, I for see a Rodgers comeback/farewell tour and a big **** you to the media.
so, I would pick Rodgers, and hope to god I am wrong.