OT: Who has a better year: Fields on the Jets or Rodgers on the Steelers?

[Moses Moreno]

There you go again cherry picking. You know Baker and Darnold signed larger contracts after

Baker Mayfield just signed a 3 year 100 million contract in 2024. That’s starter money

Sam Darnold also just signed a 3 year 100.5 million dollar contract this year. That’s starter money

Fields signed a 2 year 40 million dollar contract. That is we don’t trust you and will cut you soon money

You're a dangerous combo of disingenuous and dumb. Congrats!

All 3 dudes were on prove it deals, Fields got the largest prove it deal out of the 3 and frankly that really doesn't mean anything because Baker got barely any cash and balled the hell out.

 

[mbison]

You're a dangerous combo of disingenuous and dumb. Congrats!

All 3 dudes were on prove it deals, Fields got the largest prove it deal out of the 3 and frankly that really doesn't mean anything because Baker got barely any cash and balled the hell out.

What’s funny is you basically just admitted that Fields is on a “prove it” deal — which means even the NFL doesn’t view him as a reliable starter right now. He has to prove he can be a starting-caliber QB, let alone a good one.

We can talk about Darnold and Mayfield, but those are just two guys out of hundreds who actually broke through after “prove it” deals — most don’t. And unlike Fields, both are traditional dropback passers that fit easily into most systems.

Fields, on the other hand, has a limited passing skill set, leans heavily on his legs, and has a history of injuries. There’s just no realistic path where he turns into a consistently good NFL quarterback.

I can probably name 5 backup QB better than him right now

 

[--CyBear--]

Steelers signed Aaron Rodgers after failing on two other QB options, per report

Pittsburgh made the most of the offseason quarterback market, but Rodgers wasn't the Steelers' first priority

www.cbssports.com

If they preferred Fields over Rodgers, there's an implication that they'd also want him to be their starter because Rodgers is starting and they preferred to have Fields. Fields chose the Jets, so this is fucking stupid to discuss but thankfully the season is almost here and you're going to see why both the Jets AND Steelers wanted Fields over washed ass Rodgers.

Mac Jones was 2-5 in 7 starts after going 2-9 in the previous season and got a 2 year $7m contract - Fields got over four times the money that Jones did because Fields is still progressing as a player and Jones has steadily regressed since his rookie year.

 

[--CyBear--]

What’s funny is you basically just admitted that Fields is on a “prove it” deal — which means even the NFL doesn’t view him as a reliable starter right now. He has to prove he can be a starting-caliber QB, let alone a good one.

We can talk about Darnold and Mayfield, but those are just two guys out of hundreds who actually broke through after “prove it” deals — most don’t. And unlike Fields, both are traditional dropback passers that fit easily into most systems.

Fields, on the other hand, has a limited passing skill set, leans heavily on his legs, and has a history of injuries. There’s just no realistic path where he turns into a consistently good NFL quarterback.

I can probably name 5 backup QB better than him right now

I think the Jets know what they want to do with him so at least we should be able to see all that JF can be. Even his backup has the same playing style so the O will definitely be tailored to Fields' strongest traits. Option-ish plus deep perimeter.

 

[--CyBear--]

Wins. I already bet my username in another thread with @Midway Fields - the Jets are going to win more games than the Steelers this year. That's a team.

If wins is the marker, why the devotion to a literal loser? 14-30
It's like everything you post is a rationalization. And before you say, reasons, realize that you'd now be agreeing with as opposed to correcting me. Record is a poor barometer of an individual in a team sport.

The thing that will help the Jets is one of the easiest SOS.

Bears = #2
Steelers = #10
Jets = #26

No wonder you picked wins.

 

[Moses Moreno]

If wins is the marker, why the devotion to a literal loser? 14-30
It's like everything you post is a rationalization. And before you say, reasons, realize that you'd now be agreeing with as opposed to correcting me. Record is a poor barometer of an individual in a team sport.

The thing that will help the Jets is one of the easiest SOS.

Bears = #2
Steelers = #10
Jets = #26

No wonder you picked wins.

Vegas has the Jets at 5.5 wins and the Steelers at 8.5 - I'm going out on a limb here with this.

Passing yards is a terrible barometer. Rodgers passed for more yards than Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, Stafford, Hurts and Jayden Daniels and nobody on this planet would take 2024 Rodgers over any of them. It's because his team sucked and they were passing the ball a ton - a one dimensional passing attack will have high passing yards but the best offenses last year (Philly, Baltimore, Buffalo, Detroit) all were highly capable rushing attacks and that's what I very clearly see the Jets being.

 

[--CyBear--]

Vegas has the Jets at 5.5 wins and the Steelers at 8.5 - I'm going out on a limb here with this.

Passing yards is a terrible barometer. Rodgers passed for more yards than Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, Stafford, Hurts and Jayden Daniels and nobody on this planet would take 2024 Rodgers over any of them. It's because his team sucked and they were passing the ball a ton - a one dimensional passing attack will have high passing yards but the best offenses last year (Philly, Baltimore, Buffalo, Detroit) all were highly capable rushing attacks and that's what I very clearly see the Jets being.

Vegas is about getting balanced betting from fans and not actual projection. The make money off the vig.

I never said passing yards. I said total yards was a decent barometer in this case. Justin has averaged over 10 carries per game his last 3 years and 6-8.4 ypa depending on how you interpret stats. That's 1000 - 1400 yds rushing and Rodgers sure aint running much this year.

You can't make arguments about how his running game will turn their fortunes and then say they suck after saying they'll be a force now that they have Fields. WTF?

So many conflicting angles.

 

[Moses Moreno]

Vegas is about getting balanced betting from fans and not actual projection. The make money off the vig.

I never said passing yards. I said total yards was a decent barometer in this case. Justin has averaged over 10 carries per game his last 3 years and 6-8.4 ypa depending on how you interpret stats. That's 1000 - 1400 yds rushing and Rodgers sure aint running much this year.

You can't make arguments about how his running game will turn their fortunes and then say they suck after saying they'll be a force now that they have Fields. WTF?

So many conflicting angles.

Even total yards is off.

The Jets are going to have less possessions per game because they're going to run the ball a ton. Running the ball a ton = the clock doesn't stop nearly as often, less possessions = less total yards

Passing the ball a ton = more possessions = more total yards but not exactly good football

The Jets and Bears last year were high volume, low efficiency pass first offenses and that style will make quickly make a good defense bad just because of now often they'll be on the field and the fatigue that'll ensue. I have a little bit of hope that the Bears will be more balanced and efficient but Aaron Rodgers is his own OC and he ain't changing. That shit is going to suck.

 

[--CyBear--]

Even total yards is off.

The Jets are going to have less possessions per game because they're going to run the ball a ton. Running the ball a ton = the clock doesn't stop nearly as often, less possessions = less total yards

Passing the ball a ton = more possessions = more total yards but not exactly good football

The Jets and Bears last year were high volume, low efficiency pass first offenses and that style will make quickly make a good defense bad just because of now often they'll be on the field and the fatigue that'll ensue. I have a little bit of hope that the Bears will be more balanced and efficient but Aaron Rodgers is his own OC and he ain't changing. That shit is going to suck.

Chicago was 10th in plays per game in 2023 with Fields running a lot. It will have more to do with the D and whether there's a lead than how much they intend to run. They're not going to run more than Baltimore and they ran 53%. Philly had the most plays last year and Baltimore was right in the middle. Those were your examples for Fields play.

I doubt that I've ever seen a more egregious case of moving goalposts. You've discounted Mayfield and Darnold's play here. What were their records? WTF? Honestly, it sounds like you expect him to fail and are trying to hedge at every opportunity. You're going to lose anyway but really, WTF?

 

[mbison]

Vegas has the Jets at 5.5 wins and the Steelers at 8.5 - I'm going out on a limb here with this.

Passing yards is a terrible barometer. Rodgers passed for more yards than Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, Stafford, Hurts and Jayden Daniels and nobody on this planet would take 2024 Rodgers over any of them. It's because his team sucked and they were passing the ball a ton - a one dimensional passing attack will have high passing yards but the best offenses last year (Philly, Baltimore, Buffalo, Detroit) all were highly capable rushing attacks and that's what I very clearly see the Jets being.

If the steelers thought

You're a dangerous combo of disingenuous and dumb. Congrats!

All 3 dudes were on prove it deals, Fields got the largest prove it deal out of the 3 and frankly that really doesn't mean anything because Baker got barely any cash and balled the hell out.

Vegas has the Jets at 5.5 wins and the Steelers at 8.5 - I'm going out on a limb here with this.

Passing yards is a terrible barometer. Rodgers passed for more yards than Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, Stafford, Hurts and Jayden Daniels and nobody on this planet would take 2024 Rodgers over any of them. It's because his team sucked and they were passing the ball a ton - a one dimensional passing attack will have high passing yards but the best offenses last year (Philly, Baltimore, Buffalo, Detroit) all were highly capable rushing attacks and that's what I very clearly see the Jets being.

Do y’all even think fields will play the whole season? He’s injured prone as it is. Missed 4 games two years as a starter and missed 3 games as a backup.

Even total yards is off.

The Jets are going to have less possessions per game because they're going to run the ball a ton. Running the ball a ton = the clock doesn't stop nearly as often, less possessions = less total yards

Passing the ball a ton = more possessions = more total yards but not exactly good football

The Jets and Bears last year were high volume, low efficiency pass first offenses and that style will make quickly make a good defense bad just because of now often they'll be on the field and the fatigue that'll ensue. I have a little bit of hope that the Bears will be more balanced and efficient but Aaron Rodgers is his own OC and he ain't changing. That shit is going to suck.

What makes you even think Fields will stay healthy for the whole season? He has been know to be injury prone. He was even injured while sitting on the bench last year and missed games. If they are going to run as much as you claim expect fields to miss 4-6 games easily

 

[--CyBear--]

I actually hope Moses is right about Justin but I just can't get on board on lots of what's being said and promoted here.

 

[TL1961]

Thats because the steelers are idiots

The correct move would have been to keep fields and start him and tank for a QB in next years draft. If fields plays well you either keep him or draft a QB and trade him to some dumbo team like the jets

They didnt pursue him because they wanted rodgers from day 1 and he held them hostage during his offseason drug parties. Rodgers will make that team just good enough to win 8-9 games. They might squeak into a wildcard and then get embarrassed in the playoffs. Basically what they have been doing the last few years.

Tomlin and that front office just needed to bite the bullet and suck for a year or two to get their future QB. They are the chicago bulls of the NFL, just living in mediocrity. I guess they are trying for one last shot since the defense is aging but it still makes zero sense to me, they are not beating out the chiefs/bills/chargers/broncos/ravens

My thoughts exactly. They are in fact the Chicago Bulls or a step up from that, but they’re not a contender and they’re not putting themselves into position to become one.

 

[DrGonzo]

The Jets will get off the bus running, with a lot of RPOs and designed runs for Fields that will make him more or less successful. Can he make the reads, move the chains with his arm, overcome a late deficit to win a game with his arm? He hasn't yet.

Rodgers gonna Rodgers and make the offense what he wants it to be whether or not the personnel fit.

I think these are two mid teams that get way too much hype. I don't bet on sports but if I did I might put a few dollars down on the Steelers missing the playoffs.

 

[Nelly]

The Jets will get off the bus running, with a lot of RPOs and designed runs for Fields that will make him more or less successful. Can he make the reads, move the chains with his arm, overcome a late deficit to win a game with his arm? He hasn't yet.

Rodgers gonna Rodgers and make the offense what he wants it to be whether or not the personnel fit.

I think these are two mid teams that get way too much hype. I don't bet on sports but if I did I might put a few dollars down on the Steelers missing the playoffs.

Nothing new under the sun. If their defense can keep them in it then Fields can win some games. If the Jets find themselves playing from behind by more than a touchdown later in the game then they're fucked. Justin can't beat you when you know he's got to throw the ball.

 

[greg23]

Uh oh......not a good day for all the resident jets fans

Espn has them as....
gulp......
the 29th most talented roster.......

and their biggest weakness as......
double gulp.......
quarterback

Which NFL teams have the best -- and worst -- rosters? Let's stack all 32 projected lineups

We ranked every NFL roster ahead of the season, then picked strengths, weaknesses, X factors and underrated players to know.

www.espn.com

 

[DefNextYear]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1946222960626246007

Packers... unbelievable...

 

[--CyBear--]

 

[--CyBear--]

Just saw this:

You can rationalize this any way you want but there's an outlier. Wilson was in the same O and known to be a roll out QB since coming into the league yet Fields remains in a league of his own.

I blame Mooney, LOL.

 

[Moses Moreno]

Just saw this:
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You can rationalize this any way you want but there's an outlier. Wilson was in the same O and known to be a roll out QB since coming into the league yet Fields remains in a league of his own.

I blame Mooney, LOL.

He's above average at it and didn't do it often.

- Fields & Hurts avoided it but had good outcomes when doing it
- Dalton tried to pass over the middle often and failed often
- Goff thrived over the middle and did it often

There's really not much there.

 

[msadows]

Just saw this:
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You can rationalize this any way you want but there's an outlier. Wilson was in the same O and known to be a roll out QB since coming into the league yet Fields remains in a league of his own.

I blame Mooney, LOL.

Think the main problem here is that he had another coaching staff drilling it into his head to avoid turnovers.

Wilson basically threw it the 3rd least in the NFL so that shows you a lot of it is based on coaching.

Caleb threw it the 4th-6th least on that list, which links up with how eberflus was a giant trashcan who told his QB's to avoid risk so they can win 1 score games with defense.

I dont think fields will ever develop into a legit NFL QB, but a lot of his hesitation over the middle seems to be coaching related. Hopefully the jets and aaron glenn allow him to play however he wants since that team likely is not going to be very good.