Pace confirms they had first round grades on Jenkins

[pinkfloydster]

He drafts pretty well. White was an injury anomaly, Floyd was pretty good and Smith was a home run. He blew the Trubisky pick and it was a big miss. He had his chance to make it right and he did with an absolutely fantastic trade. No GMs bat 1,000. Take a look at New England’s drafts over the last six or seven years and get ready to puke. Brady covered up for multiple draft sins.

Hell even the vaunted Ozzie Newsome selected Kyle Boller in the first round.

Pace keeps getting better at his job but the media and fans love to tag him and it’s primarily based on taking Trubisky. In hindsight, not taking Watson might not have been such a bad thing. That situation is getting ugly.

You're forgetting Shaheen.

Pace's approach of aggressively going after "your guy" is nothing but a .500 winning average thus far.

 

[playthrough2001]

This simply isn't true.

I'm not sure there's a more deluded cult than the Pace defenders, which oddly seems to magically have a complete resurgence the past two days.

No one claims any GM bats 1000. This is constantly used as a defense, when its something that literally no one has claimed. No one.

You're right, Brady has made up for it multiple draft sins. But when you don't have those type of players that make up for it, your lack of team building shows. Mack is one of those players.

As i told others when it comes to GMs, at the end of the day its about regularly putting your team into position to win SBs. Pace has not done that and a big part of that is drafting. Pace defenders like to do the thing where they say "yeah, well, but Kevin White had freak injuries" and then completely downplay what a disappointment Floyd was. Brush off missing on Mitch and then use Smith as a world beater. Downplay failures, overhype successes.

Point blank, the roster and accomplishments tell the story. Underwhelming roster. 1 division title. No playoff wins. Cap hell. Little draft capital. But yeah, i guess all of the media and most Bears fans are the wrong ones.

Deluded.

The 2018 team was in position to win the Super Bowl and his big miss is the reason they didn’t get that chance. The hit rate on draft picks is about 40%. You can find the data. If the Bears fired Pace, he be unemployed for about ten minutes. The Saints would bring him back in a second and put him in-line to eventually replace Loomis.

I’m hardly deluded. He’s a first time GM that is growing into the job. Continuity is how you build successful cultures in sports or business. Fans always want to fire everyone the minute they’re upset about anything.

The Trubisky pick was horrible. I’m still pissed about it but I realize how difficult it is to scout and project QBs from college to the NFL.

 

[playthrough2001]

You're forgetting Shaheen.

Pace's approach of aggressively going after "your guy" is nothing but a .500 winning average thus far.

I certainly have not. However, the hit rate on draft picks is about 40%. Bill Polian was just discussing today how 60% of these draftees will not make it.

 

[pinkfloydster]

I certainly have not. However, the hit rate on draft picks is about 40%. Bill Polian was just discussing today how 60% of these draftees will not make it.

Hit rates on first rounders is 70%. 2nd rounders 40%. So, maybe a little better than 50%. Still, your point that he shouldn't be expected to be perfect is sound. Shaheen was just a reach. And it seemed obvious at the time.

Bears 2018 success was in large part due to the fact that he borrowed from the future to win now. They didn't have to pay the bill for Khalil Mack until the successive two seasons.

Pace does some interesting things for sure. He creates these huge gaps in roster talent. And he is able to improve at a particular position by paying for a bargain basement free agent. So, these big splash movies only work if he is able to uncover hidden talent at the bottom of the roster.

So, guys like Tre Roberson, Artie Burns, Sam Mustipher, Riley Ridley, Josh Woods are players you would never think about regularly. But these are the guys who step up if an injury happens or the starter in front of them isn't cutting it.

 

[playthrough2001]

Hit rates on first rounders is 70%. 2nd rounders 40%. So, maybe a little better than 50%. Still, your point that he shouldn't be expected to be perfect is sound. Shaheen was just a reach. And it seemed obvious at the time.

Bears 2018 success was in large part due to the fact that he borrowed from the future to win now. They didn't have to pay the bill for Khalil Mack until the successive two seasons.

Pace does some interesting things for sure. He creates these huge gaps in roster talent. And he is able to improve at a particular position by paying for a bargain basement free agent. So, these big splash movies only work if he is able to uncover hidden talent at the bottom of the roster.

So, guys like Tre Roberson, Artie Burns, Sam Mustipher, Riley Ridley, Josh Woods are players you would never think about regularly. But these are the guys who step up if an injury happens or the starter in front of them isn't cutting it.

Sorry, I’m not sure where you’re coming up with a 70% hit rate in round one but it’s simply not true.

There is plenty of data that refutes your claim. Here is one of many surveys that you can check out.

More Than 50% Of First Round Picks Are Busts And Other Terrifying Draft Statistics

 

[Montucky]

Pace saying he can play left or right tackle doesn't inspire much confidence either. Look at all the issues we've had on the o-line and moving guys around.

The issue on the offensive line these past few years has been talent, or a lack there of. They have that maddening habit of moving guys all over but that's just because they never have the talent to actually put players where they belong. Teven Jenkins doesn't necessarily solve that problem, but he might solve half of it. And if it means Charles Leno Jr. gets cut that's a big part of the other half getting solved too.

 

[NCChiFan]

He mentioned several times that he can play left or right tackle.

I hope, hope, hoooope, he can push Leno or better yet, replace. If I had my druthers, I can live with Ifredi on the right more so than Leno on the left.

 

[tgmxd]

We could have picked up help in the third round, but not the fifth. Giving away draft picks like candy on Halloween is a really bad habit for Pace.

Gotta agree. It’s a double edged sword in the long term because he’s shown he has no issues trading up for any position even running backs.

Right now it’s looking like a home run (and probably is which us Bears absolutely deserve the at this point) because our biggest needs were QB and T which are the two highest when it comes to positional value and no GM is more aggressive than Pace which I love. He’s not gun shy post trubisky even though a lot of gm‘s would be and then settle for safe guys like teddy bridgewater or Sam darnold.

The problem is he takes the same approach in terms of aggressiveness and giving up picks whether it’s a QB or a RB. Let’s hope he learns from it going forward because otherwise this roster could fall off even if Fields is a top 10 QB.

 

[Raskolnikov]

I hope, hope, hoooope, he can push Leno or better yet, replace. If I had my druthers, I can live with Ifredi on the right more so than Leno on the left.

We may have to try some of the late round behemoths they have been drafting at LT for a year or two.
Might as well just trade Mack for a LT, as you can't tank for one until 2022, and you can't afford one, etc etc.

I guess Jenkins will have to play LT, not because he is one, but because he is eager and better than the rest.

Pace needs a Tait like miracle June 1st or Aug 1st and maybe the salary cap will provide one.

 

[NCChiFan]

We may have to try some of the late round behemoths they have been drafting at LT for a year or two.
Might as well just trade Mack for a LT, as you can't tank for one until 2022, and you can't afford one, etc etc.

I guess Jenkins will have to play LT, not because he is one, but because he is eager and better than the rest.

Pace needs a Tait like miracle June 1st or Aug 1st and maybe the salary cap will provide one.

I feel ya!

 

[wazzupi]

This simply isn't true.

I'm not sure there's a more deluded cult than the Pace defenders, which oddly seems to magically have a complete resurgence the past two days.

No one claims any GM bats 1000. This is constantly used as a defense, when its something that literally no one has claimed. No one.

You're right, Brady has made up for it multiple draft sins. But when you don't have those type of players that make up for it, your lack of team building shows. Mack is one of those players.

As i told others when it comes to GMs, at the end of the day its about regularly putting your team into position to win SBs. Pace has not done that and a big part of that is drafting. Pace defenders like to do the thing where they say "yeah, well, but Kevin White had freak injuries" and then completely downplay what a disappointment Floyd was. Brush off missing on Mitch and then use Smith as a world beater. Downplay failures, overhype successes.

Point blank, the roster and accomplishments tell the story. Underwhelming roster. 1 division title. No playoff wins. Cap hell. Little draft capital. But yeah, i guess all of the media and most Bears fans are the wrong ones.

Deluded.

You say a whole lot of nothing. Maybe when you actually make a point someone will take you seriously.

 

[botfly10]

Its funny how it takes your job being on the line to finally move your ass.

i dont seen anything unusual about how pace has handled this draft

same as he always does. especially at the top. they identify guys they like and go and get them. he's always been aggressive

only difference this year is looks like he consulted with the HC when choosing their QB target

 

[botfly10]

The issue on the offensive line these past few years has been talent, or a lack there of. They have that maddening habit of moving guys all over but that's just because they never have the talent to actually put players where they belong. Teven Jenkins doesn't necessarily solve that problem, but he might solve half of it. And if it means Charles Leno Jr. gets cut that's a big part of the other half getting solved too.

leno prob not cut

he is actually fine as long as he doesn't have to be the guy. as long as the other side is solid and he can depend on the guard next to him, leno is serviceable

 

[ThatGuyRyan]

They fucking trotted out coward as a STARTER! for two years lol.. pace opinion means jack shit to me. As others said, no brainer pick. I think we could have gotten cosmi without sacrificing draft capital but I’m happy with it.. at least it’s something .

 

[puckthefackers]

any chance Jenkins plays LT, or is this a RT only pick and Bears still need to find Leno's replacement? it'll improve the line so I'm happy about that, just sick of watching Leno fall down and block air

 

[ThatGuyRyan]

I will say that Sam M regardless of how good or bad he played takes on that alpha dog mentality needed., especially up front. I noticed that once he came in Leno started playing slightly better.

 

[Bust]

any chance Jenkins plays LT, or is this a RT only pick and Bears still need to find Leno's replacement? it'll improve the line so I'm happy about that, just sick of watching Leno fall down and block air

Of course there is a chance. He's played LT at college, Guard too.

 

[Bearly]

You don’t seem to understand...

I understand fine. Once you've done that with a few players over time it doesn't help because the dollar amount is finite and the yearly nut is higher. When you pay guys more over the length of their stay it adds up and that you've eventually affected the cap in the wrong way. There's a reason we're in cap hell with out the players to justify it and that's part of it.

 

[Visionman]

I understand fine. Once you've done that with a few players over time it doesn't help because the dollar amount is finite and the yearly nut is higher. When you pay guys more over the length of their stay it adds up and that you've eventually affected the cap in the wrong way. There's a reason we're in cap hell with out the players to justify it and that's part of it.

Nope. You don’t understand at all. That’s ok. Retake football 101 and get back to me next offseason...

 

[Bearly]

It's not like these guys are taking big discounts . They are taking about 10% less due to cap being lower when signed and get to cash in a year early. If that deal isn't say 7 years long since the player was on a small salary anyway, you're upside down on total dollars with the same years on the team and it catches up to you.

Now fuck off if you're just going to be a prick.