Parise Would Be A Devil Of A Blackhawk

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Hammer is a possibility, but I think it would take more than that if Hammer is in there and Bolland would atleast fill the hole that Staal leaves.

The Penguins have an overpaid blue line in a couple of guys and a whole lot of UFA's after next year.

So the Hawks get rid of Bolland. Then who plays 3C?
 

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So the Hawks get rid of Bolland. Then who plays 3C?

Kruger, which is probably where he belongs. Certainly not on the second line where he doesn't have the skillset that is needed there. Kruger is very responsible on the defensive side of the puck and should slot in at the 3rd line center position, in my opinion for most of his career as I don't think he has a very high offensive upside.
 

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Kruger, which is probably where he belongs. Certainly not on the second line where he doesn't have the skillset that is needed there. Kruger is very responsible on the defensive side of the puck and should slot in at the 3rd line center position, in my opinion for most of his career as I don't think he has a very high offensive upside.

He's also tiny as ****. Not saying that the bottom 6 has to be huge guys that can't skate or something, but I have doubts about Kruger at 3C.

Why not trade Kruger and keep Bolland?
 

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He's also tiny as ****. Not saying that the bottom 6 has to be huge guys that can't skate or something, but I have doubts about Kruger at 3C.

Why not trade Kruger and keep Bolland?

Bolland isn't that much bigger than Kruger and Kruger definitely has some time to fill out considering how young he is. Kruger is very solid defensively and he would do fine at the 3C position in my mind.

Kruger has less of a cap hit and is under team control for longer than Bolland.
 

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He's also tiny as ****. Not saying that the bottom 6 has to be huge guys that can't skate or something, but I have doubts about Kruger at 3C.

Why not trade Kruger and keep Bolland?

Been saying this for months. My obvious fondness for Bolland aside, I don't see what Marcus Kruger has done to give anyone confidence in his ability to be a 3C. He's also been a ghost in the postseason.
 

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I'm not really sure why there's so much hate for Bolland on this board.

I'm not saying that he's the greatest player to ever wear a Blackhawks jersey, but it's not like Kruger is so much better than him that it's an obvious choice. Okay, so Kruger is getting paid less money and has more years left on his contract, but what if he doesn't pan out and he flat out sucks?

Bolland has already proven to be a capable 3C. Good on defense and even scores the occasional goal. Why choose unproven over proven?
 

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I also think that the Pens would be more interested in a young guy who has already played in the NHL and they could be flexible and maybe put him on the second line or just put him on the third line.

Maybe if they get Kruger and Hammer, that's all they'll want. I don't know though.
 

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I'm not really sure why there's so much hate for Bolland on this board.

I'm not saying that he's the greatest player to ever wear a Blackhawks jersey, but it's not like Kruger is so much better than him that it's an obvious choice. Okay, so Kruger is getting paid less money and has more years left on his contract, but what if he doesn't pan out and he flat out sucks?

Bolland has already proven to be a capable 3C. Good on defense and even scores the occasional goal. Why choose unproven over proven?

Preaching to the choir, man. I've probably gone overboard in my praise of Bolland just to counter the people who diminish his very large contributions to the team. Because of the way he's used by Q, he's absolutely vital to this team.

I also think that the Pens would be more interested in a young guy who has already played in the NHL and they could be flexible and maybe put him on the second line or just put him on the third line.

Maybe if they get Kruger and Hammer, that's all they'll want. I don't know though.

More than anything else, the Pens will want help on defense, after they got shredded by the Flyers in the playoffs. With Crosby and Malkin as their top 2 centers, you can plug in almost any wings you want and their offense will have enough to get the job done. The defense? Not as much there.
 

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not sure if i would give up bolland and hammer for staal. the defense would take a hit, our lines would be front heavy ( lack of depth ). team goals against would be very high. plus we dont even know how hossa will play. this offseason is crucial. i guess we should just trade depth and let parise go to detroit....solid plan


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not sure if i would give up bolland and hammer for staal. the defense would take a hit, our lines would be front heavy ( lack of depth ). team goals against would be very high. plus we dont even know how hossa will play. this offseason is crucial. i guess we should just trade depth and let parise go to detroit....solid plan


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Or get Staal by giving up Kruger and Hammer and maybe a prospect.

Get a couple good bottom 6 players. Get some D-men better than the ones that were signed last year.

This offseason is crucial and it can be really big for the Blackhawks if Bowman actually takes care of what needs to be done. Chances of that actually happening are slim though.
 

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not sure if i would give up bolland and hammer for staal. the defense would take a hit, our lines would be front heavy ( lack of depth ). team goals against would be very high. plus we dont even know how hossa will play. this offseason is crucial. i guess we should just trade depth and let parise go to detroit....solid plan


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One of the last things the Blackhawks need is another $6Mil+ per year player. If they are able to dumb salary and not take any back (Frolik, Montador, etc) then maybe it is doable but a player like Parise would obviously be thrilling but might have a trickle down effect that could hurt the Blackhawks...and you certainly can't sign a player just because he may sign with a rival. Obviously I rather he stay in the East but that wouldn't be thinking forward with a signing just to block him from a team.
 

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I'm gonna laugh if he just stays in NJ.

Probably a decent chance that he does, atleast 50/50 at worst.

He is Captain of a team that just went to the Stanley Cup finals. If the money is there, what isn't to like about putting yourself in that position?
 

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Probably a decent chance that he does, atleast 50/50 at worst.

He is Captain of a team that just went to the Stanley Cup finals. If the money is there, what isn't to like about putting yourself in that position?

Heard this on ESPN so it may not be 100% credible, but they were saying that he'll choose the place that he wants to play for the most. He'll get the money no matter where he is. He'll just get to choose the place where he wants to play the most.

Right now I think that's NJ and being the captain of that team.
 

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Heard this on ESPN so it may not be 100% credible, but they were saying that he'll choose the place that he wants to play for the most. He'll get the money no matter where he is. He'll just get to choose the place where he wants to play the most.

Right now I think that's NJ and being the captain of that team.

Still don't think he ends up here, but it's nice to know Chicago can be one of those places where people will want to come and play, after a long tradition of it being the opposite.
 

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Still don't think he ends up here, but it's nice to know Chicago can be one of those places where people will want to come and play, after a long tradition of it being the opposite.

I think there's basically no chance that the Hawks get him.

But I agree that players want to come to Chicago now. They've won a cup recently and have a good corps and players want to be part of that and try to win another cup.
 

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Kinda just thought of this. Didn't know what thread to put it in, so I put it here where talks of Staal were being mentioned.

Maybe going after Staal isn't a great idea. Keep Kane at 2C for a couple years and by then McNeill might be ready to play there. I'm not for giving a young guy that much responsibility, but what the Hawks don't use to get Staal could be used on a D-man.
 

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They can **** around all they want AFTER they get a solid defenseman.
 

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Or get Staal by giving up Kruger and Hammer and maybe a prospect.

Get a couple good bottom 6 players. Get some D-men better than the ones that were signed last year.

This offseason is crucial and it can be really big for the Blackhawks if Bowman actually takes care of what needs to be done. Chances of that actually happening are slim though.

And here's my fear... It's all in Bowman's hands and I have no confidence that he will do the right things. We can really turn this team back into a monster if he can wrangle a Top 4 Dman (of the right skillset) and a backchecking, distributing 2nd line center with some size, but I have no delusions that he'll do either.

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And here's my fear... It's all in Bowman's hands and I have no confidence that he will do the right things. We can really turn this team back into a monster if he can wrangle a Top 4 Dman (of the right skillset) and a backchecking, distributing 2nd line center with some size, but I have no delusions that he'll do either.

:(

It looks like he feels he has these pieces right in his hands in the system. They are sadly each about a year away from being legit considered NHL full time ready for those roles if they can develop enough to fit those holes. That would be players like McNeil and Olson. They could wind up being no better than a teams 3rd center or bottom paring D though but he is sticking to his picks to build it that way. It may just make next year sadly looking like another not complete team season.
 

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